Renegade Public Forums
C&C: Renegade --> Dying since 2003™, resurrected in 2024!
Home » General Discussions » Heated Discussions and Debates » Suicide Note
Suicide Note [message #225677] Mon, 09 October 2006 07:58 Go to next message
cheesesoda is currently offline  cheesesoda
Messages: 6507
Registered: March 2003
Location: Jackson, Michigan
Karma: 0
General (5 Stars)

"...marks a historic event as it greatly encouraged and pleased the (Korean People's Army) and people that have wished to have powerful self-reliant defense capability...," "...a great leap forward in the building of a great prosperous powerful socialist nation."

So, it seems that they really are wanting to be erased from the map. What do you think of NK's defiant testing of nuclear weapons? Granted, it was apparently a weak bomb (550 tons of TNT - weaker than the 1945 bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki), but a step towards a possibly dangerous time. Even China told them to back off, yet the heeded all warnings. What's next?


whoa.
Re: Suicide Note [message #225681 is a reply to message #225677] Mon, 09 October 2006 08:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
futura83
Messages: 1285
Registered: July 2006
Location: England
Karma: 0
General (1 Star)
Viva la Resistance!
i don't know.

but it cant be good.

if they keep ignoring other nations then war will be almost certain


This is a signature. Reading this is wasting your time.
Re: Suicide Note [message #225686 is a reply to message #225677] Mon, 09 October 2006 08:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
fl00d3d is currently offline  fl00d3d
Messages: 1107
Registered: August 2003
Location: Iowa, USA
Karma: 0
General (1 Star)
Viva la Resistance!
tbh, I think that the U.S. is going to sit back for a short while --- while it prepares for yet another war --- and see how the world takes all of this. I think military action is a bit obvious at this stage. They won't even listen to their allies ... and we need to do something before they have the capability of getting those weapons into enemy territory.

Keep in mind, North Korea is also one of the largest providers of missile technology to middle eastern nations that many countries are at war with. What is stopping N. Korea from attempting to smuggle nuclear weapons into the middle east (besides the US Navy)?

Something needs to be done ... and fast. And hopefully anyone with half a brain would agree.
Re: Suicide Note [message #225688 is a reply to message #225677] Mon, 09 October 2006 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MexPirate is currently offline  MexPirate
Messages: 883
Registered: March 2006
Location: UK
Karma: 0
Colonel
who really gives a fuck, not like the US hasn't launched plenty of nukes - how come the US is allowed nukes but not NK? (they are for defence remember!)

If Russia got a big lead in the nuke race and then said - USA no nukes for you! nobody would have listened, if countries want to sit on their high horse and look down on NK, try getting rid of any nukes they are in possesion of first.


http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e255/Cloudx16/Newer%20Stuff/03f9b76a.png
It's a mexican pirate .... F*ck a dog by Blink 182
Re: Suicide Note [message #225697 is a reply to message #225677] Mon, 09 October 2006 09:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jschultz9 is currently offline  jschultz9
Messages: 276
Registered: March 2005
Location: USA
Karma: 0
Recruit

Quote:

who really gives a fuck, not like the US hasn't launched plenty of nukes - how come the US is allowed nukes but not NK? (they are for defence remember!)

If Russia got a big lead in the nuke race and then said - USA no nukes for you! nobody would have listened, if countries want to sit on their high horse and look down on NK, try getting rid of any nukes they are in possesion of first.


Considering North Korea is a bunch of loose canons and they have no "rules" They get the sudden urge to attack USA or someone else, they will simply launch the missle. They are somewhat alot like the radical retards like Osama bin Laden. They HATE the USA. No one is attacking them except shit they bring on themselves. If they would just shut up and abide by rules like most other countries, this wouldnt even be a problem.

USA is not the MAIN country they need to worry about, NK and China are allies, But you go pissing your friends off to much, they wont be your friends no more. China is no one to fuck with.


irc.thewargrounds.com
#WG


www.thewargrounds.com
Re: Suicide Note [message #225699 is a reply to message #225677] Mon, 09 October 2006 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CarrierII is currently offline  CarrierII
Messages: 3804
Registered: February 2006
Location: England
Karma: 0
General (3 Stars)

Rocked Over

Can you say WWIII?

China sides with NK over NK - USA and China go to war - USA gets assistance from places like France, Uk, and other western European countries, China gets assistance from NK, etc, etc...

And, if the timeframe hits it about right, I'll be somewhere between 19 and 30, perfect milatary service age. Sad


Renguard is a wonderful initiative
Toggle Spoiler
Re: Suicide Note [message #225705 is a reply to message #225688] Mon, 09 October 2006 10:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cheesesoda is currently offline  cheesesoda
Messages: 6507
Registered: March 2003
Location: Jackson, Michigan
Karma: 0
General (5 Stars)

[PA

Pirate wrote on Mon, 09 October 2006 11:57]who really gives a fuck, not like the US hasn't launched plenty of nukes - how come the US is allowed nukes but not NK? (they are for defence remember!)

If Russia got a big lead in the nuke race and then said - USA no nukes for you! nobody would have listened, if countries want to sit on their high horse and look down on NK, try getting rid of any nukes they are in possesion of first.

You're joking, right?

EVRY1 GETZ AWAY WIF IT. Y KANT DEY LOL?!

You have no clue about the seriousness of the situation. I mean, China, NK's closest ally, was telling them to back down and not to test nuclear weapons... that tells you something.


whoa.
Re: Suicide Note [message #225745 is a reply to message #225677] Mon, 09 October 2006 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doitle is currently offline  Doitle
Messages: 1723
Registered: February 2003
Location: Chicago, IL
Karma: 0
General (1 Star)
Moderator/Captain

I thought this was a super late post about Terrell Owens.

lol

China is upset about this and ready to act. Obviously you need to bone up on your knowledge CarrierII...


http://www.n00bstories.com/image.fetch.php?id=1285726594
Re: Suicide Note [message #225784 is a reply to message #225688] Mon, 09 October 2006 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
fl00d3d is currently offline  fl00d3d
Messages: 1107
Registered: August 2003
Location: Iowa, USA
Karma: 0
General (1 Star)
Viva la Resistance!
PA Pirate wrote on Mon, 09 October 2006 11:57

who really gives a fuck, not like the US hasn't launched plenty of nukes - how come the US is allowed nukes but not NK? (they are for defence remember!)


Um, most of the world gives a fuck. Why? Because they're hell bent on using those weapons and taunting the world. The arms race in the cold war (emphasis on cold) was more of a "race for a new technology" and "international influence" than N.Korea's interests in nukes. They want it so they can 'influence' their peninsula with brute force. Also, they do not cooperate with international policy and regulation like many other nations.

IAEA Director General


Taken from: http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/PressReleases/2006/prn200617. html
Statement by IAEA Director General
9 October 2006 | IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei deeply regrets, and expresses serious concern, about the reported carrying-out of a nuclear test earlier today by the Democratic People´s Republic of Korea (DPRK).

This reported nuclear test threatens the nuclear non-proliferation regime and creates serious security challenges not only for the East Asian region but also for the international community.

The breaking of a de-facto global moratorium on nuclear explosive testing that has been in place for nearly a decade and the addition of a new State with nuclear weapon capacity is a clear setback to international commitments to move towards nuclear disarmament, said the Director General.

Dr. ElBaradei further reiterates the urgent need - more than any time before - for establishing a legally binding universal ban on nuclear testing through the early entry-into-force of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test Ban Treaty.

Dr. ElBaradei continues to believe in the importance of finding a negotiated solution to the current situation regarding the DPRK nuclear issue. The Director General believes that resumption of dialogue between all concerned parties is indispensable and urgent.


...

PA Pirate wrote on Mon, 09 October 2006 11:57

If Russia got a big lead in the nuke race and then said - USA no nukes for you! nobody would have listened,


This was back in a time when the technology was new and there were no defined superpowers (post WWII).

PA Pirate wrote on Mon, 09 October 2006 11:57


if countries want to sit on their high horse and look down on NK, try getting rid of any nukes they are in possesion of first.


They are. Calm yourself of this drama and take a step back to look at the severity of the situation as well as the fact.

This != good

[Updated on: Mon, 09 October 2006 17:23]

Report message to a moderator

Re: Suicide Note [message #225840 is a reply to message #225677] Tue, 10 October 2006 02:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Blazer is currently offline  Blazer
Messages: 3322
Registered: February 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Karma: 0
General (3 Stars)
Administrator/General

Personally I'm way more concerned about Iran getting nukes. NK just wants nukes for bragging rights and as leverage. Iran has flat out said that they plan to destroy Israel as soon as they are capable.
Re: Suicide Note [message #225841 is a reply to message #225784] Tue, 10 October 2006 02:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
puddle_splasher is currently offline  puddle_splasher
Messages: 595
Registered: May 2006
Location: Scotland, UK
Karma: 0
Colonel
This topic is like the religous topics.

No-one gets anywhere and by the end of the topic you are all fighting amongst yourselves.
Thumbs Up
Re: Suicide Note [message #225853 is a reply to message #225841] Tue, 10 October 2006 05:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cheesesoda is currently offline  cheesesoda
Messages: 6507
Registered: March 2003
Location: Jackson, Michigan
Karma: 0
General (5 Stars)

puddle_splasher wrote on Tue, 10 October 2006 05:57

This topic is like the religous topics.

No-one gets anywhere and by the end of the topic you are all fighting amongst yourselves.
Thumbs Up


It's politics, of course, there's going to be differences of opinion.


whoa.
Re: Suicide Note [message #225859 is a reply to message #225677] Tue, 10 October 2006 06:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ryan3k is currently offline  Ryan3k
Messages: 363
Registered: September 2004
Location: USA
Karma: 0
Commander
Think about it. The US government WANTED the DPRK to go ahead with the nuke test. The world is now aligned against the DPRK and the pressure is on far more so than it would have been if they had abandoned the test.

Re: Suicide Note [message #225863 is a reply to message #225677] Tue, 10 October 2006 06:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cheesesoda is currently offline  cheesesoda
Messages: 6507
Registered: March 2003
Location: Jackson, Michigan
Karma: 0
General (5 Stars)

I think that could be true. The testing pissed off enough nations, and now we can demand that NK (fuck calling them by their 'real' name) be repremanded for their actions. China even agrees, so the USA's agenda could have been swayed by that. Mounting tension between allies is never a good thing, and that's what we see here with NK and China.

whoa.
Re: Suicide Note [message #225891 is a reply to message #225840] Tue, 10 October 2006 10:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
fl00d3d is currently offline  fl00d3d
Messages: 1107
Registered: August 2003
Location: Iowa, USA
Karma: 0
General (1 Star)
Viva la Resistance!
Blazer wrote on Tue, 10 October 2006 05:51

Personally I'm way more concerned about Iran getting nukes. NK just wants nukes for bragging rights and as leverage. Iran has flat out said that they plan to destroy Israel as soon as they are capable.


Yeah, man, I agree. But two things on that note:
(1) Iran gets missile technology from North Korea. I've seen it first hand while I was in the military in the persian gulf. Who is to stop them from shipping nuke warheads with them?
(2) Just because other nations have worse motives doesn't clear North Korea. ;-P
Re: Suicide Note [message #225895 is a reply to message #225677] Tue, 10 October 2006 10:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GoArmy44 is currently offline  GoArmy44
Messages: 265
Registered: October 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Karma: 0
Recruit

You know we could stop feeding...them. What are they going to do, nuke us because we don't give them enough rice?

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8056/userbar307447ph.gif
Reconcilia Rem Publicam!
Re: Suicide Note [message #225907 is a reply to message #225677] Tue, 10 October 2006 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
warranto is currently offline  warranto
Messages: 2584
Registered: February 2003
Location: Alberta, Canada
Karma: 0
General (2 Stars)
Hey, it was enough for Japan to attack. Though it was resources that were cut off, instead of food.
Re: Suicide Note [message #225920 is a reply to message #225677] Tue, 10 October 2006 13:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
PlastoJoe is currently offline  PlastoJoe
Messages: 647
Registered: October 2005
Karma: 0
Colonel
Actually, yes. That's one of the major reasons they want so much international attention. The North Koreans are dying by the bucketfull because they have an old, crazy dictator who doesn't grasp the concept that he can't manage a country by letting everyone starve.

Do you want this guy to have a bunch of nukes?

http://deza7.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/Kim%20Jong%20Il.JPG


http://qntm.org/files/board/current.png


You may be a fundamentalist atheist if...


Toggle Spoiler
Re: Suicide Note [message #225921 is a reply to message #225677] Tue, 10 October 2006 13:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cheesesoda is currently offline  cheesesoda
Messages: 6507
Registered: March 2003
Location: Jackson, Michigan
Karma: 0
General (5 Stars)

If you hate Bush, I can't imagine how much you hate Jong Il. If you don't, then you're an idiot. Simply put. There is no way you can like this guy or even support him.

whoa.
Re: Suicide Note [message #225951 is a reply to message #225677] Tue, 10 October 2006 15:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
U927 is currently offline  U927
Messages: 709
Registered: February 2003
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Karma: 0
Colonel
But, he's so ronery...

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle

8-Bit Theatre. The power of evil compels you!
Re: Suicide Note [message #225995 is a reply to message #225951] Tue, 10 October 2006 20:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Renerage is currently offline  Renerage
Messages: 1223
Registered: May 2005
Location: Hamilton ON, Canada
Karma: 0
General (1 Star)
Sure hes the worst regime leader in the last century, sure his power relies on what the people dont know, sure his people are starving.

But who cares. They dont know anybetter, at least not yet.

Let him have his nukes, until he plans on blowing up the world. let him be, i mean come on, Kim Jong Ill is in a way, just trying to get richer, and maybe for the world to not look down on him as a trechorous regime communist leader.


http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9876/cheekaysig9xv.jpg

A pissed off noob Once said:
I DESLIKE YOU!
Re: Suicide Note [message #226041 is a reply to message #225995] Wed, 11 October 2006 05:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cheesesoda is currently offline  cheesesoda
Messages: 6507
Registered: March 2003
Location: Jackson, Michigan
Karma: 0
General (5 Stars)

cheekay77 wrote on Tue, 10 October 2006 23:29

Sure hes the worst regime leader in the last century, sure his power relies on what the people dont know, sure his people are starving.

But who cares. They dont know anybetter, at least not yet.

Let him have his nukes, until he plans on blowing up the world. let him be, i mean come on, Kim Jong Ill is in a way, just trying to get richer, and maybe for the world to not look down on him as a trechorous regime communist leader.

You're kidding, right? They threatened to detonate a nuke, they did. Now they're threatening the US with a nuclear tipped missile. From what I've read, NK doesn't bluff. Granted, this time I think that they're stretching it a bit, since they seem to suck horribly at missiles. Either way, he now has leverage and plans to use it.

Unfortunately, China doesn't want the USA being involved in any of their affairs, so they're going to try desperately to keep NK from crumbling. Though, they do want punishment for NK... but I think that's more or less an attempt to show the rest of the world that they want to be peaceful, but at the same time keep a nice buffer between them and US troops.


whoa.
Re: Suicide Note [message #226057 is a reply to message #225677] Wed, 11 October 2006 07:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doitle is currently offline  Doitle
Messages: 1723
Registered: February 2003
Location: Chicago, IL
Karma: 0
General (1 Star)
Moderator/Captain

I used to doodle comics of Kim Jong Il as a really short basketball player and slam dunking. He played for the ICBMs. I'll try to find one and scan it lol.

http://www.n00bstories.com/image.fetch.php?id=1285726594
Re: Suicide Note [message #226086 is a reply to message #225677] Wed, 11 October 2006 10:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
fl00d3d is currently offline  fl00d3d
Messages: 1107
Registered: August 2003
Location: Iowa, USA
Karma: 0
General (1 Star)
Viva la Resistance!
U927 wrote on Tue, 10 October 2006 18:48

But, he's so ronery...

ROFL - Team America rocks! Wink
Re: Suicide Note [message #226099 is a reply to message #225677] Wed, 11 October 2006 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
CarrierII is currently offline  CarrierII
Messages: 3804
Registered: February 2006
Location: England
Karma: 0
General (3 Stars)

Shows something of the relationship between China and NK doesn't it...


Renguard is a wonderful initiative
Toggle Spoiler
Previous Topic: Yes, even more about 9/11!
Next Topic: Politically Correct
Goto Forum:
  


Current Time: Tue Nov 26 10:52:21 MST 2024

Total time taken to generate the page: 0.01265 seconds