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| xptek wrote on Tue, 03 October 2006 21:22 |
Spoony: If you paid attention you would have known that he has previously DDoSed people when he was actually in the business. Guess reading is too much to ask of you though.
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Then why did you say he hadn't? *rollseyes*
I'm perfectly aware he used to ddos people all the time - his hissy bitch-fits in the N00bstories servers were rather hard to miss. Why, then, did you say he's never ddosed anyone?
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| Re: As one who's been DDoS'd by Kholdstare on a N00BSTORIES SERVER.... [message #224390 is a reply to message #224388] |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 03 October 2006 22:36 |
When the fuck did he ever deny him DDoSing anybody? We've merely said that he hasn't in (over) 2 years.
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...what forums have you been reading?
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| Re: As one who's been DDoS'd by Kholdstare on a N00BSTORIES SERVER.... [message #224396 is a reply to message #224392] |
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| xptek wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 11:54 |
But then again, what does this have to do with your little anti-Crimson crusade anyway?
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...the fact you choose to describe any of this as "your little anti-Crimson crusade" proves how mind-bogglingly stupid you truly are...
| xptek wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 11:54 |
I mean, we could always go on about your involvement with olddust. 
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I'm sorry, "involvement"? What involvement? I'm not about to say he doesn't have a botnet and he's never ddosed anyone, like you did with Kholdstare (though you were, of course, either lying or just not very bright) but there is no "involvement" as far as I'm concerned. Oh, he gave me access to a botnet round about the time Cyberpunk and his little bitch followers used that unkickable exploit crap, but I never used it. I think that's about the closest you can tie me to a ddos attack.
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| Re: As one who's been DDoS'd by Kholdstare on a N00BSTORIES SERVER.... [message #224398 is a reply to message #224396] |
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| MaidenTy1 wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 00:00 |
I'm sorry, "involvement"? What involvement? I'm not about to say he doesn't have a botnet and he's never ddosed anyone, like you did with Kholdstare (though you were, of course, either lying or just not very bright) but there is no "involvement" as far as I'm concerned. Oh, he gave me access to a botnet round about the time Cyberpunk and his little bitch followers used that unkickable exploit crap, but I never used it. I think that's about the closest you can tie me to a ddos attack.
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I just find it funny that you're bitching about Kholdstare being a "vile script kiddie" yet you ran(run?) non00bs with one.
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...the fact you choose to describe any of this as "your little anti-Crimson crusade" proves how mind-bogglingly stupid you truly are...
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| Re: As one who's been DDoS'd by Kholdstare on a N00BSTORIES SERVER.... [message #224452 is a reply to message #224398] |
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| xptek wrote on Tue, 03 October 2006 23:16 |
I just find it funny that you're bitching about Kholdstare being a "vile script kiddie" yet you ran(run?) non00bs with one.
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No, you don't, because you never, ever mentioned this part before even though you've always known it. Meaning it's nothing to do with the topic - you've just run out of anything relevant to defend Kholdstare with, but can't stomach the thought of to actually stop posting.
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| Re: As one who's been DDoS'd by Kholdstare on a N00BSTORIES SERVER.... [message #224496 is a reply to message #220250] |
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Like xptek, I have not seen any evidences [sic] of Kholdstare DDoSing people
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Does this count as evidence for you?
How about this?
And are you gonna tell me that Kholdstare isn't the guy Crimson's talking about here?
I would include what Spoony said about Crimson's "pet bulldog" comment, but you wouldn't take that as evidence because Spoony's the one saying it.
And, I would have included my OWN account of how he DDoS'd ME on a RenAlert server, but you probably wouldn't believe me, either, since you don't think my reputation is worth defending.
Is that enough "evidences" for you?
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Couldnt [sic] have said it better myself. So what, khold ddosed you, OMFG lifes [sic] gonna end. Dont [sic] come running around crying cuz [sic] you got hit by someone. It happends everyday to alot of people. Get over it, move on, unplug your computer, and read a book or STFU and then unplug your computer and read a book.
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Do you not realize you can make the same argument to justify cheating? Let me reword it for you (while cleaning up the blatant grammatical errors that any fourth grader could see and correct):
"Couldn't have said it better myself. So what, Khold cheated in the server, OMFG life's gonna end! Don't come running around crying because someone cheated in the server. It happens everyday to so many other servers out there. Get over it, move on, unplug your computer, and read a book or STFU."
I hope for the sake of your credibility that you have never encouraged the use of Renguard. Otherwise, congratulations! You're a hypocrite!
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Do you have some magical way to ban someone who can change their IP address at will, SWEETIE?
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I'm going to admit that I don't know all that much about coding, dynamic IP addresses, IRC bots, server-side scripts, and all that technical kind of crap, but I'm gonna make a few logical assumptions and just go from there.
You say he can change his IP address at will.
If I understand basic "hacking" correctly, changing your IP at will is one of the first basic things any budding script kiddie learns how to do. I'm also going to assume that Kholdstare isn't the only person in the entire world who knows how to change his IP address.
Are you going to tell me, though, that in all the years previous to Rengaurd's release that you have NEVER, not even ONCE, encountered a cheater who, like Kholdstare, knew how to change his IP address? Are you saying that there has never been a cheater, using Final Renegade or Big Head or whatever, who knew how to change his IP address to evade his bans?
Frankly, I find all that a little hard to believe.
I don't even care if there's a permanent way to ban him, though. What I care about is whether or not the N00bstories administration (read: you) actually tries to do something about it.
It may be nearly impossible to ban the guy permanently because he is able to pull all this IP address changing bullshit and whatnot; all that I care is that N00bstories is going to be a place that doesn't tolerate DDoS'ing assholes like that and will ban him on sight every single time he tries to rejoin. He'd eventually get bored of trying to rejoin only to get banned again, and the problem would subside at least for a while.
What I see coming from you, however, is a lack of any action whatsoever. In fact, you're making excuses for allowing the guy to do whatever the hell he wants.
That's like the police making excuses for the serial convenience store robber who they just can't seem to catch.
Sure, the guy may be difficult to catch and extremely good at what he does, but ya know what? The cops have an obligation to society to try to catch that criminal and end his long string of crimes.
What you're doing is allowing Kholdstare to rob as many stores as he wants, and sitting back and saying, "I can't catch him because he runs too fast." I don't give a shit! He just stole all the money out of my cash register and held me up at gunpoint! GET AFTER HIM!
I make that analogy assuming you are not, in fact, in bed with the enemy. If (or should I say "since" based on the mounting evidence against you?) you're really no better than he is, or are in some sort of alliance with him, then I can understand perfectly why you're not doing anything to punish him.
I guess you could say the police are corrupt.
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| Re: As one who's been DDoS'd by Kholdstare on a N00BSTORIES SERVER.... [message #224498 is a reply to message #224496] |
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Okay, notice the dates of those threads? August and September... of 2004. Sure, this post-dates the "over 2 years that I've known him", but it still is OVER 2 years ago.
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And, I would have included my OWN account of how he DDoS'd ME on a RenAlert server, but you probably wouldn't believe me, either, since you don't think my reputation is worth defending.
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Nick, that's complete bullshit. I am not going to defend you on something that I don't agree with. My whole argument has been that he hasn't DDoSed anybody recently. The most recent evidence you've given me is something from September (note, it's October now) of 2004 (it's 2006 now).
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If I understand basic "hacking" correctly, changing your IP at will is one of the first basic things any budding script kiddie learns how to do. I'm also going to assume that Kholdstare isn't the only person in the entire world who knows how to change his IP address.
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You can generally just change your IP by resetting your modem...
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| Re: As one who's been DDoS'd by Kholdstare on a N00BSTORIES SERVER.... [message #224503 is a reply to message #224496] |
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| Hydra wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 12:02 |
I would include what Spoony said about Crimson's "pet bulldog" comment, but you wouldn't take that as evidence because Spoony's the one saying it.
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...to this I'll just briefly add that I said Crimson made that comment - she denied it over and over and over again, then later admitted that she did, in fact, refer to Khold as her "pet bulldog".
Yet that's no reason to think I was right in saying that... so keep demanding more evidence to prove what's right in front of you, guys!
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| Re: As one who's been DDoS'd by Kholdstare on a N00BSTORIES SERVER.... [message #224506 is a reply to message #224503] |
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| MaidenTy1 wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 13:39 |
| Hydra wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 12:02 |
I would include what Spoony said about Crimson's "pet bulldog" comment, but you wouldn't take that as evidence because Spoony's the one saying it.
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...to this I'll just briefly add that I said Crimson made that comment - she denied it over and over and over again, then later admitted that she did, in fact, refer to Khold as her "pet bulldog".
Yet that's no reason to think I was right in saying that... so keep demanding more evidence to prove what's right in front of you, guys!
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You just don't get it, do you? I don't give a fuck what Crimson has said. I don't care if she's telling the truth or covering something up to save her ass. That doesn't apply here. There is no hardcore evidence (that I've seen) to link Kholdstare to DDoSing people within the past 2 years. Give me evidence of any recent attacks, and then maybe I'll change my mind.
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| Re: As one who's been DDoS'd by Kholdstare on a N00BSTORIES SERVER.... [message #224512 is a reply to message #220250] |
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I can't believe it took me this long to think of this, but here's my revelation of the day:
Okay, say you are online claiming that you're 15. Everybody then thinks different and calls you a liar, and then you say, "okay, fine, I'm 23," but in reality, you're actually 15. Just because you confessed to "lying" and then "told the truth" doesn't necessarily prove anything.
Who says that this isn't the case here? Maybe Crimson's just trying to get all of you fucktards to shut the fuck up? What does she have to lose in this community by admitting to doing something wrong? Nothing, really. People are still going to use RenGuard, play on n00bstories, and post on these forums. JUST LIKE THEY HAVE DONE, DO, AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO.
So what if she loses trust in some people? The people that she "loses trust" with are people that never really trusted her in the first place.
In all seriousness, IT'S THE FUCKING INTERNET. For all you know, I could be some 300-pound fat chick with a beard. Does it matter? Nope. I could say that I'm jacking off while typing this. I could claim that I want your dick. IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. Play the game. Post on the forums. Quit making a big deal out of issues.
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| MaidenTy1 wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 10:06 |
| xptek wrote on Tue, 03 October 2006 23:16 |
I just find it funny that you're bitching about Kholdstare being a "vile script kiddie" yet you ran(run?) non00bs with one.
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No, you don't, because you never, ever mentioned this part before even though you've always known it. Meaning it's nothing to do with the topic - you've just run out of anything relevant to defend Kholdstare with, but can't stomach the thought of to actually stop posting.
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In case you haven't noticed, you weren't previously bitching about "vile script kiddies" while associating yourself with one.
It's called irony. I figured you would be able to grasp that.
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Okay, notice the dates of those threads? August and September... of 2004. Sure, this post-dates the "over 2 years that I've known him", but it still is OVER 2 years ago.
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And weren't you the one who said a guy who escaped from jail 30 years ago should go back to pay pennance for what he did, even though he started a (supposedly) new life as a law-abiding citizen?
Why the sudden change of heart?
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Nick, that's complete bullshit. I am not going to defend you on something that I don't agree with.
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Whoa, whoa, wait... so you're not going to jump in to defend my reputation when I have a shit-ton more integrity in my testicles than Kholdstare has in his ego... yet you're willing to take heat for the reputation of a known hacker... simply because you don't agree with me???
Y'know, you can defend a person's reputation and still disagree with what he says. It's easy. All you have to say is, "Hey, dude, you can't call him a hypocrite because yada yada yada...."
That's all there is to it. You don't have to say you agree with what I say or that you think I'm right, but you can defend a person's integrity at the same time.
Again, I ask, why did you jump in to defened a hacker's reputation yet stand by while I was lambasted by Blazer?
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You can generally just change your IP by resetting your modem...
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Oh, so it's even EASIER to change your IP address and thus evade bans!
If that's the case, then there has got to be another way to permanently ban people besides simply banning their IPs. Otherwise, you couldn't ban shit because everyone would be able to evade them way too easily.
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Err.. where does anything he say suggest that supporting Renguard would make him a hypocrite?
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Like I demonstrated, one could make a similar argument in the case of cheating. Here, he's insulting me for taking issue with someone DDoS'ing me in a N00bstories Renalert server, saying I should "get over it" and "it happens every day" and whatnot. You could construct a similar scenario with a cheater in a N00bstories server pre-Renguard days.
If I complain that so-and-so was cheating in the N00bstories server, and he comes along and says that cheating is an everyday occurrance and that I shouldn't demand anything be done about it, he can't therefore go out and support any action taken against cheaters by-and-large, such as Renguard.
We could just use his own arguments against him and tell him to "STFU and read a book" when he's being cheated against in a game instead of supporting him in demanding that something be done about those cheaters.
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You just don't get it, do you? I don't give a fuck what Crimson has said. I don't care if she's telling the truth or covering something up to save her ass.
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So, are you saying that you "don't give a fuck" about what a person says he's going to do, and when he does another? Or when he says he's not going to do something, and goes right ahead and does it?
Do you not give a shit when you're fucking lied to?
Unless I'm getting you confused with someone else, that should be something that you, of all people, Jake, should care dearly about.
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People are still going to use RenGuard, play on n00bstories, and post on these forums.
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Yes, a dwindling, ever-smaller number of people.
It's shit like this, though, that drives people away.
I've explained how it worked in one of my posts in that "Bash the shit out of Crimmy" thread, though, and since this is only "THE FUCKING INTERNET" and "DOESN'T MATTER," I'm not going to be bothered looking it up for you.
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Why are you quoting Crimson there? She can't be trusted. Remember?
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| Hydra wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 16:54 |
Wow, develop that wit, and you could write for SomethingAwful.
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Nah, I was just wondering why you're quoting someone when it has been established that they're not trustworthy at all. It'd be really cool if you could stop dodging the question and find some actual proof (read: not random bitching on forums, and not stupid confession posts. Actual logs that show there was in fact a DDoS that took place).
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Hey, I'm not saying that Khold doesn't need to receive his just dessert for his actions, but I'm just arguing that he hasn't done anything in a (fairly) lengthy amount of time.
I get along with Kholdstare just fine. I see no reason why I can't trust him or defend him. We all have our strikes against us. By the logic of not trusting people who have done something wrong... I shouldn't be trusted, Kholdstare shouldn't be trusted, nor xptek, Crimson, and just about everybody else in the world.
Maybe I should care more about being lied to, but at the same time, maybe you shouldn't outcast those who have done wrong. Shouldn't you try and embrace them more, and show them the light, rather than cast them into darkness? Give people a second chance, whether or not they deserve it. I'm not saying forget about what he's done, but just because he did it once doesn't guarantee that he'll do it again.
As for not defending you... I probably should have. Though, I didn't feel like having to research the threads and defend what you were saying. 
As for being lied to.. it's the internet. If it affected me personally, I'd be a little more concerned. Someone online lying to me doesn't have the same effect as a friend lying to me.
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Like I demonstrated, one could make a similar argument in the case of cheating. Here, he's insulting me for taking issue with someone DDoS'ing me in a N00bstories Renalert server, saying I should "get over it" and "it happens every day" and whatnot. You could construct a similar scenario with a cheater in a N00bstories server pre-Renguard days.
If I complain that so-and-so was cheating in the N00bstories server, and he comes along and says that cheating is an everyday occurrance and that I shouldn't demand anything be done about it, he can't therefore go out and support any action taken against cheaters by-and-large, such as Renguard.
We could just use his own arguments against him and tell him to "STFU and read a book" when he's being cheated against in a game instead of supporting him in demanding that something be done about those cheaters.
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Sure, but if he currently supports Renguard, he would not be a hypocrite. Now, if he DID make that argument regarding cheating, then I could see your point. (Though "Hypocrite" would be the wrong word to use, I see what you are getting at).
However, simply drawing a parallel to arguments that could be made regarding other things does not make it his argument; hence why I asked the question.
HE didn't make the statement, even though the parallel could be made. Heck, if that's the case, we're all hypocrites because anything we say can be paralleled to something else.
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| Hydra wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 10:02 |
I'm going to admit that I don't know all that much about coding, dynamic IP addresses, IRC bots, server-side scripts, and all that technical kind of crap, but I'm gonna make a few logical assumptions and just go from there.
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That's your first problem.
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You say he can change his IP address at will.
If I understand basic "hacking" correctly, changing your IP at will is one of the first basic things any budding script kiddie learns how to do. I'm also going to assume that Kholdstare isn't the only person in the entire world who knows how to change his IP address.
Are you going to tell me, though, that in all the years previous to Rengaurd's release that you have NEVER, not even ONCE, encountered a cheater who, like Kholdstare, knew how to change his IP address? Are you saying that there has never been a cheater, using Final Renegade or Big Head or whatever, who knew how to change his IP address to evade his bans?
Frankly, I find all that a little hard to believe.
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Well, the RenGuard software sends a little more information to us to make banning easier and NOT dependent on something as easily-changed as an IP. (Unfortunately that doesn't work any more either) My Renegade server only gets a nickname and an IP. Both are easy to change. For the record, all of his normal nicknames are currently banned from my server but all he has to do is make up a name and rejoin and I would never know.
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I don't even care if there's a permanent way to ban him, though. What I care about is whether or not the N00bstories administration (read: you) actually tries to do something about it.
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That's good, because I have tried.
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... ban him on sight every single time he tries to rejoin. He'd eventually get bored of trying to rejoin only to get banned again, and the problem would subside at least for a while.
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That might work on someone who doesn't care about Renegade, but it wouldn't work on someone who is both talented at hiding and has been involved in the community for years and isn't going anywhere.
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What I see coming from you, however, is a lack of any action whatsoever. In fact, you're making excuses for allowing the guy to do whatever the hell he wants.
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I didn't make excuses. I apologized for my inability to stop him.
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That's like the police making excuses for the serial convenience store robber who they just can't seem to catch.
Sure, the guy may be difficult to catch and extremely good at what he does, but ya know what? The cops have an obligation to society to try to catch that criminal and end his long string of crimes.
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If I had the power of the police, he'd be in jail along with a few script kiddies.
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I make that analogy assuming you are not, in fact, in bed with the enemy. If (or should I say "since" based on the mounting evidence against you?) you're really no better than he is, or are in some sort of alliance with him, then I can understand perfectly why you're not doing anything to punish him.
I guess you could say the police are corrupt.
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I'm not the police. I have a lot of power and ability to protect myself and my servers, but there's very very little I can do to protect other people. And I say this knowing a hell of a lot more than you do about these things.
| MaidenTy1 wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 10:39 |
...to this I'll just briefly add that I said Crimson made that comment - she denied it over and over and over again, then later admitted that she did, in fact, refer to Khold as her "pet bulldog".
Yet that's no reason to think I was right in saying that... so keep demanding more evidence to prove what's right in front of you, guys!
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No, I didn't. I never admitted to calling him that. From reading that thread it seems blatantly obvious that SOMEONE ELSE called him that and you falsely attributed the words to me. I did admit and apologize that I have LIED and inferred that my friendship with him was for my personal gain to hide that I actually like him, but that doesn't change anything one way or another.
| xptek wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 13:59 |
Nah, I was just wondering why you're quoting someone when it has been established that they're not trustworthy at all.
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That has not been established at all. The few times I have lied were for important reasons, and most of my "transgressions" stem from my being too forgiving and nice. When it comes to actual important things like people's money I am VERY trustworthy and honest. I am entrusted with hundreds of dollars every month by people in this community and I haven't had any of my pseudo-customers (I say pseudo customers because I break even if anything, I'm not in it for profit) back out and in fact I gained a "customer" since this thing started.
Furthermore, MANY people have trusted me with the passwords to their servers and I have NEVER breached that trust.
If you want to bring real life into this, I run a weekly poker game and the game is growing larger than we want it because of word of mouth. I had 30 players on Friday and I'm trying to get it back down to about 16. If I lacked integrity, my game wouldn't be popular or legal.
So for you to say I'm "not trustworthy at all" is very, very false.
I'm the bawss.
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