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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219064 is a reply to message #217168] |
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What about hill camping or PT glitching (Yes, accessing the pt outside the building is a glitch) What about two people wall jumping on say field? It's a glitch, then again Nod already has a distinct disadvantage because two people can rush towards the ref and one take an ob hit, so would it be fair that two men can rush the GDI base and wall jump? You can't exactly say which is "fair" and which isn't. The fact that Nod already has disadvantages in quite a bit of the maps, does that mean it should be more lenient towards them in those maps? You really *cannot* say what is fair, because westwood never made it perfectly balanced, that would be near impossible. However, it still largely depends on the better team than it does the side, it still gives a team an advantage.
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219076 is a reply to message #217168] |
Tue, 12 September 2006 16:50 |
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GDI > NOD on most maps, it's true.. Why do you think one of my clans beat de7's clan once? We weren't better skillwise than any of their players, we just had field GDI, and it's really hard to lose field with gdi in a 5v5 when you know what you're doing.
I only ready de7's post lol!
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219078 is a reply to message #218950] |
Tue, 12 September 2006 16:52 |
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| MaidenTy1 wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 11:25 |
| vloktboky wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 19:23 |
Only if you are technically an idiot. You in general know exactly what people are referring to when they use that acronym to describe their server. Don't even try to turn it into anything else or push it out of their vocabulary. All Out War means everything fair goes. And if people want to use it, what the Hell concern is it of yours?
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Who, may I ask, is the official judge of what is "fair"?
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I think AoW means Renegade.. I've never thought of it any other way.
I hate it how Snipers try to divide Renegade between "Sniping" and "AOW" when really Sniping is a simple, small aspect of Renegade, and AOW, in essense, is Renegade being played for what it's SUPPOSED TO BE.
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219097 is a reply to message #217168] |
Tue, 12 September 2006 18:01 |
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I think sniping is useless except when used in 'AOW' for the purpose of getting points, killing orcas/apaches or defending your team from other snipers.
To snipe to just simply snipe is basically pointless, because other than in those isolated sniper servers, you're never going to get a chance to hug a wall for that long in-game.
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219135 is a reply to message #218997] |
Wed, 13 September 2006 01:05 |
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| vloktboky wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 20:52 |
Don't ask the question when you already know the answer.
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I don't know the answer. Do you?
Clearly not everyone is in concurrence about what constitutes "fair", otherwise why do servers have different rules?
So who is the defining authority on this?
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219140 is a reply to message #217168] |
Wed, 13 September 2006 02:16 |
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Stop evading my question and answer it plainly.
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Only if you are technically an idiot. You in general know exactly what people are referring to when they use that acronym to describe their server. Don't even try to turn it into anything else or push it out of their vocabulary. All Out War means everything fair goes. And if people want to use it, what the Hell concern is it of yours?
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Don't dodge the question again, keep the insults to yourself, just provide a plain answer to a perfectly simple question.
Who is the judge of what is fair?
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219155 is a reply to message #217168] |
Wed, 13 September 2006 07:44 |
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the simple answer - no-one. as what is fair and what is not is a point of view, and what someone could see as fair, others might not
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219234 is a reply to message #219140] |
Wed, 13 September 2006 13:40 |
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| MaidenTy1 wrote on Wed, 13 September 2006 04:16 |
Stop evading my question and answer it plainly.
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Only if you are technically an idiot. You in general know exactly what people are referring to when they use that acronym to describe their server. Don't even try to turn it into anything else or push it out of their vocabulary. All Out War means everything fair goes. And if people want to use it, what the Hell concern is it of yours?
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Don't dodge the question again, keep the insults to yourself, just provide a plain answer to a perfectly simple question.
Who is the judge of what is fair?
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He's not dodging anything. It is so simply evident even you should know it.
There aren't 5,000 gameplay modes based on each and every little tweak, mod or exploit.
There are really only three, and he helped create one of them.
Single player
Command and Conquer mode commonly called AOW
Capture the flag
Everything else including "Sniper only" are deviations off those three.
Not that they are any less "Fun" or any other thing you care to argue. That's just the way it is, and AOW is the common term for C&C mode like "Map" is a common name for Level or Car is a comon name for every vehicle with four wheels below a gross tonnage of 10,000 lbs.
His point is that you're arguing semantics, and when you do that you are showing a clear lack of comprehension of the topic.
Westwood did not design the game for play with exploits in mind. And if C&C mode or AOW was supposed to have extras as a standard, you wouldn't have to to hit ALT to use them and they'd be in the manual. Do you think the Nod extra veh is an elite go kart? It was used in Alpha to test level playability before vehs were implemented.
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219241 is a reply to message #217168] |
Wed, 13 September 2006 13:57 |
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the extra vehicles are weak and quite crap. they cant attack, so wouldnt be useful in a war anyway!
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219257 is a reply to message #219241] |
Wed, 13 September 2006 15:41 |
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| the17doctor wrote on Wed, 13 September 2006 15:57 |
the extra vehicles are weak and quite crap. they cant attack, so wouldnt be useful in a war anyway!
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Yay for semantics!
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219306 is a reply to message #217168] |
Wed, 13 September 2006 22:48 |
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Isn't the Sedan really effing fast, though? Like, faster than a Nod Buggy?
And even the Nod extra vech, it's low profile, speed, and good armor make it a fair troop transport (Although in retrospect the APC owns it)
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Remember kids the internet is serious business.
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219314 is a reply to message #217168] |
Wed, 13 September 2006 23:53 |
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The amusing part is you still have not answered my question.
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219336 is a reply to message #219335] |
Thu, 14 September 2006 01:17 |
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| vloktboky wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 04:12 |
Jesus Christ, kid. I wish you could show the same level of devotion and enthusiasm in other areas that you are showing in this fabricated argument of which you insist on starting.
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I didn't start the argument. I simply said, in response to your "All Out War means everything fair goes" that opinions differ on what is "fair", and it is therefore impossible to draw up a conclusive, be-all-end-all list of what is "fair".
| vloktboky wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 04:12 |
If you really want this argument to permiss, allow me to jump to the conclusion and offer you the self-satisfaction you obviously crave. You can claim victory on this one. Congratulations on your proud achievement. I'm sure it will prove to be a much needed boost in your confidence and your self-esteem.
As for the rest of us, we will retreat back into our dark rooms and promptly continue laughing at how much of a damn fool you have made yourself out to be.
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Claim victory? What are you talking about? I don't desire "victory" or self-satisfaction. I want you to answer the question you've been dodging for a full page and are apparently unaware of the fact you haven't answered yet.
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219340 is a reply to message #217168] |
Thu, 14 September 2006 01:30 |
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You only needed to answer the question I asked much earlier in the thread. Apparently it was beyond you, hence the evasion and insults.
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You in general know exactly what people are referring to when they use that acronym to describe their server.
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I say again: if different servers do not have the same rules (for example: refhopping, hillcamping, and so forth...) then clearly you do not know exactly what people refer to.
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219393 is a reply to message #219391] |
Thu, 14 September 2006 08:25 |
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| warranto wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 12:23 |
Sorry, but MaidenTy1 is correct here.
Some servers consider using the "PT Glitch" to be acceptable and fair, some servers do not allow it, as it is considered to be unfair.
Some servers consider "Ob walking" to be fair, while most do not.
Some servers consider "Wall jumping" to be fair, while others consider it fair if only done with two or more people assisting each other.
Some servers consider the extreme amount of damage snipers to to light armour to be fair, while others consider it to be excessive.
Some servers allow "Vehicle Bombs" which they consider to be a fair tactic, while others do not.
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hence, what is fair is a point of view. but in the case of server rules, it is up to the admin, as his/her point of view of fairness is what dictates the rules
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| Re: A NEW TYPE OF RENEGADE! [message #219409 is a reply to message #219393] |
Thu, 14 September 2006 09:47 |
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I never considered it possible to have such difficulty getting someone to understand something so mind-bogglingly simple.
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