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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212041 is a reply to message #212030] |
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| mrpirate wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 18:10 |
I'd rather not play with the best Renegade players still around and instead play in my public server where I will decide that anyone better than me is cheating.
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I don't want to play with people like Mr Pirate who are convinced that the world only turns because they wake up every day.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212043 is a reply to message #212042] |
Sun, 06 August 2006 11:09 |
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| null wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 12:56 |
Heres an idea.
How about XWIS fixes the ladder instead of using a 3rd party. WHAT A CONCEPT.
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It would be nice, but I still believe that the best way to get good, is to play clanwars - public servers are virtually all infested with n00bs, of course you don't need to be in the cw.cc league in order to play against decent clans - but it makes it a lot easier - many of the better players use the league and will only play against cw.cc clans.
I can't understand why people won't even register on there, so that they at least have the option to use it & have more opponents, but that's just my view.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212059 is a reply to message #212041] |
Sun, 06 August 2006 12:38 |
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| Goztow wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 19:48 |
| mrpirate wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 18:10 |
I'd rather not play with the best Renegade players still around and instead play in my public server where I will decide that anyone better than me is cheating.
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I don't want to play with people like Mr Pirate who are convinced that the world only turns because they wake up every day.
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Well for starters Mrp doesn't play clanners.
Bad assumption there.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212105 is a reply to message #212042] |
Sun, 06 August 2006 17:52 |
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| null wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 12:56 |
Heres an idea.
How about XWIS fixes the ladder instead of using a 3rd party. WHAT A CONCEPT.
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Because even if they did it wouldn't be a quarter as good as clanwars.cc.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212232 is a reply to message #211873] |
Mon, 07 August 2006 16:55 |
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Honestly, it seems like there's some decently sized clans in the community posting on these forums that... well, I've never heard of before.. obviously you guys dont play cw's and I'm just saying... you should.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212242 is a reply to message #212176] |
Mon, 07 August 2006 17:48 |
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| X2Torn wrote on Mon, 07 August 2006 19:25 |
| mrpirate wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 11:10 |
I'd rather not play with the best Renegade players still around and instead play in my public server where I will decide that anyone better than me is cheating.
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lol
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I second that.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212280 is a reply to message #212041] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 00:39 |
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| Goztow wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 13:48 |
| mrpirate wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 18:10 |
I'd rather not play with the best Renegade players still around and instead play in my public server where I will decide that anyone better than me is cheating.
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I don't want to play with people like Mr Pirate who are convinced that the world only turns because they wake up every day.
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The thing about the league is the fact that you DON'T have to play those clans if they bother you. If your problem is actually with the forums, then just check the stickies to keep yourself up to date with the rules, and use the Audits section if someone fails to report a match or reports it incorrectly.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212283 is a reply to message #212282] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 00:53 |
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| Goztow wrote on Tue, 08 August 2006 02:50 |
I got nothing against CW's. I respect people playing them. I do not respect people with an attitude problem. Unfortunately quite a lot of clans playing a lot of CW's have an attitude problem.
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And a lot of public server players (and moderators) don't?
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212285 is a reply to message #212283] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 00:58 |
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| MaidenTy1 wrote on Tue, 08 August 2006 09:53 |
| Goztow wrote on Tue, 08 August 2006 02:50 |
I got nothing against CW's. I respect people playing them. I do not respect people with an attitude problem. Unfortunately quite a lot of clans playing a lot of CW's have an attitude problem.
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And a lot of public server players (and moderators) don't?
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I do not want to relate CW.cc to the statement you quoted. And you're absolutely right. That must be the reason you'll hardly ever see me outside my clan server.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212287 is a reply to message #211873] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 01:09 |
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At the risk of re-igniting a flamewar, isn't your clan server the one which, by your admission, doesn't require proof to ban someone for cheating?
I'll be frank here. Getting flamed by some random guy in a game or on a forum doesn't bother me in the slightest. Getting banned from a server, same. But being labelled a cheater without proof and when I'm not given the chance to prove myself innocent, THAT might well bother me.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212290 is a reply to message #211873] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 01:26 |
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See my last post here: http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=20736&a mp;start=0&rid=4882
And the whole point of a forum is that you can appeal. More than one has fought his case on our forums and has been unbanned. Ofcourse when you come and say "OMG y0u 4ssh0les b4nn3d me, you are t3h stupid: I do not h4x!" you got 0 chance of getting unbanned. If you're intrested on reading up some exemples: http://www.thekoss2.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=5
Maiden, since you took CW.cc over, my clan's reasons for not joining CW.cc have changed. You are doing your best to make it known and turn around the bad reputation some of your predecessors put up. Just be careful as you tend to have a principle of "who isn't pro me is con me". This isn't necessarely true.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212299 is a reply to message #211873] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 04:53 |
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http://www.thekoss2.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1376
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Yup - as with pirates - come back and display same skill when the littel bypass u have bene using has been fixed
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Quite simply, i would rather remove 10 players and 'maybe' have one or two wrong than spend useless time checking players out
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It doesn't exactly seem like he's talking about suspicion, in fact, it looks like he's telling me I have it. (which is ironic since if he positively knew I was bypassing, why wouldn't he report to crimson? Unless of course he knew he had no leg to stand on. Which would be the case)
And *useless* time? Yeah, I guess it would really be *useless* time to check players and see if they're innocent, wouldn't it. I mean it's only your job as a moderator to do it, but that's OK. It's useless to check to see if people are innocent, right?
The topic goes on about how testing doesn't work. Even though this is clearly wrong seeing as how many servers have banned many people through testing and screenshots. And at least when they do ban these people they have solid proof and if they were using RG while doing so it's solid proof for RG to ban them. Not only that, if you're actually experienced enough with the game you come to look for things suggesting that a player cheats. I've gotten a fraps of some guy that did 10.5 damage with his GDI rifle and 52.5 per headshot with it. Don't you think it would be smart to like do the same in the case for your server? not to do it while you're a mod, too, i guess. Since you don't always join with the nickname anyways.
Anyways the biggest deal was that some days after I was banned, I had joined the EoE server. After awhile they accused me of cheating. They asked me to do a test and I shot around the guy's head (while he was moving around and other people were shooting at me) and I passed, they say that Koss said that we *were* cheating in their server and so that's the reason they banned me moments later. As far as i remember you were "friends" with EoE maybe played some wars and everything and you were probably close to them at the time. So yeah any fair player would get pissed when you guys decide we *were* cheating and tell others that we were when by your own admission, you don't have ANYTHING to go on.
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This is where being knowledgable about the game comes in handy. Knowing what units do how much damage. I instinctively check this every time I play to make sure a guy isn't cheating.
1. To see if he's doing the correct damage
2. To see if he gets headshots over and over and never once gets a body shot. There are MANY ways to prove cheaters are cheating, and I'm sure that about 90% of them, or probably more, don't know how to "switch a cheat off" if that's even possible with the cheat they're using, because it isn't possible for a lot of cheats.
It's just the fact that someone in Koss told EoE we cheated when we didn't, and you had nothing to back that up.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212303 is a reply to message #211873] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 05:46 |
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You still didn't understand that you're not the one deciding what our moderators should or shouldn't do? This looks much like the "no swearing in public servers"-topic...
If you want to do this discussion, we can do it on msn/irc/KOSs2 forums or wherever you like to but not here. Let's not hi-jack this topic.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212307 is a reply to message #212299] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 06:48 |
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Quite simply, i would rather remove 10 players and 'maybe' have one or two wrong than spend useless time checking players out
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interesting logic... now me, (talking about the CW league, not really any specific server) I'll let ten cheaters walk free before I ban someone who doesn't have conclusive proof against them... each to his own, I guess.
If "maybe" one or two out of those ten aren't cheating, then by logical extension, if no proof is obtained then "maybe" all ten of them aren't.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212322 is a reply to message #212307] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 09:41 |
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| MaidenTy1 wrote on Tue, 08 August 2006 15:48 |
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Quite simply, i would rather remove 10 players and 'maybe' have one or two wrong than spend useless time checking players out
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interesting logic... now me, (talking about the CW league, not really any specific server) I'll let ten cheaters walk free before I ban someone who doesn't have conclusive proof against them... each to his own, I guess.
If "maybe" one or two out of those ten aren't cheating, then by logical extension, if no proof is obtained then "maybe" all ten of them aren't.
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It's the same as allowing swearing or not: a server/clan/community policy. Nothing else.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212351 is a reply to message #211873] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 15:46 |
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It stops becoming "policy" when you tell other servers that so and so is cheating, when you don't have any proof what-so-ever, or even an ounce of logic to back you up. So what, you think it would be a waste of time to keep innocent players from being banned? Well, that's what you're agreeing to.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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