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Re: hope none of you are them [message #210162 is a reply to message #207824]

Fri, 28 July 2006 08:07

warranto
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One huge problem with your arguments Crimson.

You can not argue RELIGION to argue GOD. They are exclusive of each other.

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Why did this perfect and unchanging God need or want to create a universe or the Earth or us? Please do not use "his plan" in your answer because it's a very flimsy excuse.

Who knows. Something to do? Perhaps we're a byproduct of motions that he created. An accident, so to speak. (The primordial ooze and all that) The point is, it is a concept of religion that God created the universe specifically for us.

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Why are churches allowed (presumably by God) to commit any number of sins in his name? Why hasn't God stopped this if he is omniscient and all-powerful? And if you give me a bullshit, unthought-out trained monkey response of "duhhhh free will" I will bitch slap you.

If you had bothered to answer my question the first time you brought this up, you'd have at least some progression on this topic.

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If God created the universe, who created God and why?

If there is no God, how did the universe come to exist? Perhaps it was always there, and if that is the case, then the idea of God having always been there is not far fetched either.

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The universe has been around for about 13 billion years. It took about nine billion years before our Earth was formed, and single celled bacteria were forming ecosystems about a billion years after that. Life on Earth evolved and became more complex, as shown by the evidence for Earth’s history in its rocks and fossils. Then humans, God’s supposed reason for the whole creation, finally came along within the last 150,000 years or so — on one planet orbiting one of the trillions of stars. This seems like a lengthy, complex, massive, and apparently natural process for an omnipotent being that could have simply snapped everything (or just one magic planet) into existence. (This is copied from an essay by Mark Thomas, but I have often wondered the same thing) What is your response or explanation for this?

What, and broken the laws of physics to do so in the process? Perhaps all he did to "create" the universe is set things in motion, and let the laws of physics develop itself. As you brought up before, why did he even create the universe for our benefit?

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If we all know now that the Greek and Roman gods of the sun, fertility, thunder, etc. have had their functions and explained by science and have vanished in a puff of logic, then is it so far fetched to believe that since we haven't linked a scientific answer to the questions of "why are we here?" and "where do we go when we die?", that the Jehovah god is just as nonexistent as these ancient Greek and Roman gods and all the other hundreds of gods that have been invented by man over our existence?

Wrong. The Roman gods were not proven to have not existed. The CONCEPT the Romans had of their gods were dismissed. As I said, you can not argue religion to argue God.

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This might be related to another question, but how can "free will" exist if God has a "plan" for us? How can I choose whether to turn left or right at a crossroad if God already has a "plan" that I will do one or the other?

Once again, you are arguing religion to argue God. The idea of God having a plan for us is a religious concept. Proving it wrong has no impact on the existance or lack thereof of God.

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God not only does not exist but cannot exist. In short, God is impossible.

Based on what? The idea of the Christain religion being wrong? Once, yet again, you can not argue religion to argue God. Who cares if Christians got it wrong, that does not mean God does not exist, that just means that the Christian interpretation of God is wrong.

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Many religious people ask how Atheists can be happy without God. For me and for many Atheists I know, the realization of our Atheism has been extremely freeing and has opened us to our own happiness. (AND REST OF POST)

All those things can be done while still posessing the belief that God exists. Therefor atheism is simply an excuse to make yourself feel better about you belief that God doesn't exist. It is no better or no worse than the belief in God. But hey, if it makes you feel better... to quote an earlier post,

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[it] makes people feel good [...] and secure about the universe/their surroundings.

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