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http://streaming.reopen911.org/video/PainfulDeceptions_dutch .html

It's a bit long but well worth it. I went like wtf!
Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210011 is a reply to message #210009] Thu, 27 July 2006 10:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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None of these stupid videos can ever provide a valid reason for the US government wanting to kill 2,700 people.

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Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210012 is a reply to message #210009] Thu, 27 July 2006 10:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just comes up with an empty box...

Anyway, I do not believe anything any video on the internet has to say about 9/11. Most of them are filled with lies and are very deceiving. Hell, I don't hardly believe anything the media says either. Of course that is because the media is extremely biased.


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Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210014 is a reply to message #210011] Thu, 27 July 2006 10:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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xptek wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 13:11

None of these stupid videos can ever provide a valid reason for the US government wanting to kill 2,700 people.



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Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210015 is a reply to message #210009] Thu, 27 July 2006 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm can't believe either they knowingly killed thousands of ppl, but there are some things in there that make you go hmmm anyway.
Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210017 is a reply to message #210009] Thu, 27 July 2006 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, not really.

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Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210018 is a reply to message #210009] Thu, 27 July 2006 10:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmm...

I think I know where this will end up, so moved to the Hot Topics forum.
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When will people just give up and realize that the USA WAS attacked on 9/11 and NOT by its own government. For fuck's sake, people. Wake the fuck up and get over your bullshit conspiracy theories. I'm sick and tired of it. It's bad enough that this is the 5th year from whence it happened, but we STILL have idiots claiming that Bush and his administration concocted this sinister plot to attack the nation that they run. I wouldn't sabotage my company, would you? I didn't think so.

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http://streaming.reopen911.org/video/PainfulDeceptions.wmv

For those who're interested. Haven't watched myself yet, it's 186 MBs.


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Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210027 is a reply to message #210009] Thu, 27 July 2006 11:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When will people just give up and realize that the USA WAS attacked on 9/11 and NOT by its own government. For fuck's sake, people. Wake the fuck up and get over your bullshit conspiracy theories. I'm sick and tired of it. It's bad enough that this is the 5th year from whence it happened, but we STILL have idiots claiming that Bush and his administration concocted this sinister plot to attack the nation that they run. I wouldn't sabotage my company, would you? I didn't think so.


Very well put Jball.

Seriously though, how can anyone possibly believe that your own government would purposely kill it's own citizens? The fact that someone would even say that is outrageous. America is in debt as is, and the Bush Administration would not purposely attack it's own country. That would put America in even more debt. All the conspiracy folks out there really need to wake up and realize: "The world is at war. Countries will attack countries and people will attack people. If the Bush Administration did attack it's own country purposely, which it did not, the country would most likely develop into a civil war."


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Dave Anderson wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 12:47

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When will people just give up and realize that the USA WAS attacked on 9/11 and NOT by its own government. For fuck's sake, people. Wake the fuck up and get over your bullshit conspiracy theories. I'm sick and tired of it. It's bad enough that this is the 5th year from whence it happened, but we STILL have idiots claiming that Bush and his administration concocted this sinister plot to attack the nation that they run. I wouldn't sabotage my company, would you? I didn't think so.


Very well put Jball.

Seriously though, how can anyone possibly believe that your own government would purposely kill it's own citizens? The fact that someone would even say that is outrageous. America is in debt as is, and the Bush Administration would not purposely attack it's own country. That would put America in even more debt. All the conspiracy folks out there really need to wake up and realize: "The world is at war. Countries will attack countries and people will attack people. If the Bush Administration did attack it's own country purposely, which it did not, the country would most likely develop into a civil war."


Just quote your post, even though I'm addressing j_ball as well. I'm not disagreeing with either of you, just point out some dangerous areas.

j_ball: Be careful here. People do, and have, sabotaged things they own to gain other benefits (in most cases, insurance money). I'm sure you've heard of the rash of charges being laid against Corporate owners who have done improper things with the companies money. That there is perhaps the greatest example of sabotaging their own company. Just because you won't doesn't mean someone else won't.

Dave: The civil war would only come about if people knew that the country was attacked by its own government. What better way to cover it up than to blame terrorists, and then start a war to take the suspicion away from the government? What was that movie called? Wag the dog?

Just to reiterate: I'm not saying I believe the conspiracy theories, just be careful of how you go about arguing against them.
Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210031 is a reply to message #210027] Thu, 27 July 2006 12:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dave Anderson wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 14:47


Seriously though, how can anyone possibly believe that your own government would purposely kill it's own citizens? The fact that someone would even say that is outrageous.


Well, it *does* kill its own citizens through the legal system. Killing 2,700 and further harming a failing economy makes no sense, though.


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Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210034 is a reply to message #210009] Thu, 27 July 2006 12:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It makes no sence to you to do something like that. But theres lots we don't know about how they would benefit from this. And not everyone thinks the same way.
Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210035 is a reply to message #210009] Thu, 27 July 2006 12:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'll bet alot of ppl stil don't know about this.

Here's a link of the Operation Northwoods unclassified document. A U.S Government plan for quote " Justifacation for US milatry intervention in Cuba" unquote .Although the plan was rejected by the president J.F.K staff at the time. It's the actual unclassifed document from 1962 planned by the U.S Joint Cheifs of staff for staged attacks on its own citizens and Cubans citizens. Someone within the Government must have leaked it. Its's a pretext for war and invasion basically. Something that happened over 40 yrs ago, none the less in my opinion seems to resemble something like the government could plan in the future like 9/11.

Abcnews report about it
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

The document itself
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
(You need adobe reader to view it)

There's also alot of evidence(about 9/11) and more ppl comming foward such as eye witnesses to the events which happened that
day, and famous ppl like Actors and Musicians who are starting to wake up and challenge the story about which the U.S government claims is the truth. You have to do look for it for
yourself!
Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210042 is a reply to message #210009] Thu, 27 July 2006 12:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fuck sake, dont start this shit again.. people are too brainwashed by what they are told on the tv to think anything elas.

Let it rest.

If there is more to what we been told, or the stuff that we was told turns out to be lies, it be found out in years to come, not now.
Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210043 is a reply to message #210009] Thu, 27 July 2006 12:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Heh heh...actors and musicians. Because when I want information on politics and world events, I'll go to the liberal arts.

*is a liberal arts major*

The reason it's extremely, insanely unlikely for the U.S. to stage 9/11 is that it was an attack against the World Trade Center and Pentagon. If the government was looking to make serious money off the disaster, why attack an area/building(s) that already makes serious money? The millions/billions of dollars lost in their destruction, lost business, and memorial efforts would greatly offset anything gained from whatever oil reserves we don't already have access to from OPEC, not to mention the cost of weapons and whatnot used to attack.

Also, why would the government attack its own military headquarters if it wanted to start a war? That's basically like shooting yourself in the head in order to frame someone for assault. I can't see military brass corrupt enough to instigate a war as willing to potentially lose their nice offices and pretty secretaries. Not only does it not make sense to me, but it is also against general human nature.


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Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210044 is a reply to message #210009] Thu, 27 July 2006 12:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-4315024059102108031& amp;q=kennedy

bush killed kennnedy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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IWarriors wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 15:53

Fuck sake, dont start this shit again.. people are too brainwashed by what they are told on the tv to think anything elas.

Let it rest.

If there is more to what we been told, or the stuff that we was told turns out to be lies, it be found out in years to come, not now.


I'd call that putting your head in the sand.
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Didin't they say the plane was looking for the whitehouse and got lost so the pilot decided to hit the pentagon lol, something like that, than again that would be even more stupid, Trying to destroy the whitehouse.

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Dave: The civil war would only come about if people knew that the country was attacked by its own government. What better way to cover it up than to blame terrorists, and then start a war to take the suspicion away from the government? What was that movie called? Wag the dog?


My thought on it is the people who claim that these "conspiracies" are taking place must think that they know the government attacked it's own citizens on purpose. If that is not true, then I do not believe that the people who do believe that these conspiracies are taking place would be making a big deal out of 9/11.


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Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210056 is a reply to message #210009] Thu, 27 July 2006 13:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If Bush can kill Kennedy, he can destroy the WTC!

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Re: Truth about 9/11... [message #210058 is a reply to message #210043] Thu, 27 July 2006 13:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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SpyGuy246 wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 15:54



Also, why would the government attack its own military headquarters if it wanted to start a war? That's basically like shooting yourself in the head in order to frame someone for assault. I can't see military brass corrupt enough to instigate a war as willing to potentially lose their nice offices and pretty secretaries. Not only does it not make sense to me, but it is also against general human nature.


That's a pretty moot point, attacking "Their own military HQ" didn't/doesn't seem to weaken their military forces in any way...also, the portion of the Pentagon happened to be under renovation at the time...

At least watch the video if you're going to make arquments. I've seen videos both for against a government conspiracy, and I have to admit there's a lot in the matter that doesn't make sense if I was to believe your government.


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http://jewsdidwtc.com

'nuff said.

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At the end of the day, if we was talking about the british government, i wouldn't put it past them, i would say that neither the US government or UK government are trustworthy on any stretch of the imagination. All i'm trying to tsay although, yeah the internet is full of bullshit but the government is full of bullshit too. You just have to trust you own judgment on events.

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