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| hope none of you are them [message #207824] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 23:23  |
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ar ther any relligiss peple on this form that think if you share diffrent beleifs or r cathlic than them YOU will burn in hell???
just askin becus acording to my frend im not cathlik so im going to hell
thees peple think were bad.....
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207827 is a reply to message #207824] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 23:45  |
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Catholics do not believe that acknowledging yourself as a sinner is necessary, and that doing good deeds will get you into Heaven (directly contradicting the Bible).
They also pray to Mary (idolizing), chant (God said don't do that!), and consider the Pope to be holy (for our righteousness is that of filthy rags-- sound familiar?).
Whoah, where did all that come from? I'm not a Catholic! 
Creepy...
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207830 is a reply to message #207824] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 00:46 |
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He can post crap like that in the general discussion if he'd like. General discussion = anything goes.
Although, it would be nice if this particular ban-evader stopped coming back. Or became legible.
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207837 is a reply to message #207824] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 02:27 |
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im beleave in no god.
no religion i win!
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| Memphis wrote on Tue, 15 May 2007 03:54 |
...fatally die to death...
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I don't know if you meant to do that, but triple redundancy for teh win. I LOL'ed.
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207841 is a reply to message #207824] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 04:22 |
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hmmm, it's kind of funny that these religion-related topics appear often in the community.
Like idjit, i am an atheist. I believe in no gods, no supernatural beings, demons or whatever. There could be a god, but there is nothing to convince me in His existance, yet.
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207856 is a reply to message #207824] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 06:19 |
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Believing just to *avoid* being fucked is just cowardly in my opinion...if you can't find a better reason to believe than that, you might want to rethink your values...
Bah, what I believe is that people should stop labeling each others , especially into different religious groups, but I guess that's not possible.
Personally, I'm some sort of agnostic-atheist combination if you insist converting my beliefs into a word. I believe that a higher being can exist, but it doesn't have to be "supernatural" or otherwise outside our grasp, it could be just a very advanced(evolved) being capable of affecting the world through ways we haven't discovered yet. Or such a being might not exist at all.
There's a hole in the sky through which things can fly.
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207875 is a reply to message #207856] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 09:30 |
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| Scythar wrote on Thu, 13 July 2006 08:19 |
Believing just to *avoid* being fucked is just cowardly in my opinion...if you can't find a better reason to believe than that, you might want to rethink your values...
Bah, what I believe is that people should stop labeling each others , especially into different religious groups, but I guess that's not possible.
Personally, I'm some sort of agnostic-atheist combination if you insist converting my beliefs into a word. I believe that a higher being can exist, but it doesn't have to be "supernatural" or otherwise outside our grasp, it could be just a very advanced(evolved) being capable of affecting the world through ways we haven't discovered yet. Or such a being might not exist at all.
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I didn't say thats the reason why I believe. I just said that if he doesn't, and he is wrong, he's fucked.
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207884 is a reply to message #207875] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 10:38 |
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| gbull wrote on Thu, 13 July 2006 11:30 |
| Scythar wrote on Thu, 13 July 2006 08:19 |
Believing just to *avoid* being fucked is just cowardly in my opinion...if you can't find a better reason to believe than that, you might want to rethink your values...
Bah, what I believe is that people should stop labeling each others , especially into different religious groups, but I guess that's not possible.
Personally, I'm some sort of agnostic-atheist combination if you insist converting my beliefs into a word. I believe that a higher being can exist, but it doesn't have to be "supernatural" or otherwise outside our grasp, it could be just a very advanced(evolved) being capable of affecting the world through ways we haven't discovered yet. Or such a being might not exist at all.
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I didn't say thats the reason why I believe. I just said that if he doesn't, and he is wrong, he's fucked.
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God is all forgiven, so hes not fucked and aswell Jesus died for our sins, so thats two get out of hell cards. 
Am Agnostic.
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207885 is a reply to message #207824] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 10:39 |
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I wonder why it is that people insist on saying that there must be one and only one true path through life. There are billions of people living on this planet, and no faith has ever been able to claim more than a quarter to a third of them at any given time. Does that mean all the rest are automatically doomed because they believe something different? Even if your faith tells you that anyone who doesn't follow your faith is destined for damnation, is it not possible to accept the fact that they don't believe that to be true? It isn't always so clear-cut as "If you're wrong, you're fucked." What happens if the hereafter turns out to be just another stage of a continuing existence, where one's words and actions before death have little to do with what happens to them afterwards? What happens if everyone ends up exactly where they believed they would, according to what they really believed to be the absolute truth?
The entire span of human history has never seen a single, unified faith for all. How can any one claim that all the others are by their very nature wrong, when there are so many out there who believe otherwise? Try to see people with different beliefs not as people who have strayed from "the Truth" but as people who have merely found a different "Truth" to follow. It puts things in a whole new perspective.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207892 is a reply to message #207824] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 11:08 |
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Well, I believe that all religions have preyed on people's instinctual(?) need to know what happens when you die in order to control and manipulate them and keep them in line. I think most people know that, deep down, but are afraid to admit it out loud when they've been brought up to believe in all this "God" crap.
I'm not specifically saying there is no diety higher than humans, but I think there are many many other possibilities to explain why we're here, and ultimately, it probably doesn't matter. I am mostly an atheist/agnostic type, though my beliefs can't fall into any specific category. Unlike some atheists, I do believe that most people are too weak to stay on a "do unto others" path without the manufactured fear of an omniscient watching them and promising eternal punishment. For that, I like religion.
I believe that IF the more popular faiths are right, then this God isn't going to banish me to hell simply for not believing he exists, if I have strived to live my life without causing harm to others. (Even if sometimes I fail at that)
All of you heretics should enjoy this:
http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207894 is a reply to message #207827] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 11:16 |
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| Berkut wrote on Thu, 13 July 2006 01:45 |
Catholics do not believe that acknowledging yourself as a sinner is necessary, and that doing good deeds will get you into Heaven (directly contradicting the Bible).
They also pray to Mary (idolizing), chant (God said don't do that!), and consider the Pope to be holy (for our righteousness is that of filthy rags-- sound familiar?).
Whoah, where did all that come from? I'm not a Catholic!
Creepy...
PS: Issues not related to Renegade should be posted in the "Politics" sub-forum.
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Normally I would address such misconceptions, but since it seems that most people paying attention to this thread are atheist or agnostic (and knowing that I can't possibly change your mind with one forum post and that religious discussions on the Internet inevitably lead to bad, bad ends...and seeing that this was started by Moee, in which case I refuse to add anything to encourage his moronic excuses for threads) I won't bother at this time. I will recommend engaging in serious discussion with a priest or other trained apologetic or checking out books for another point of view (such as Pope Fiction and others by Patrick Madrid) if you seriously would like to better understand what we believe and why.
You may be a fundamentalist atheist if...
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| Blazer wrote on Fri, 04 August 2006 18:53 |
If you wanna be a badass ex-marine law enforcment game programmer college graduate, then you can be! I'm just glad we don't see the other part of you where you join AOL chat rooms as "hotchik69" and cyber with guys while you spank off into a sock and then cry yourself to sleep on your cock-shaped pillow.
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| tzarmind wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 20:52 |
Not only did you immaturely edit what J_Ball said in your quote. But you fucking got in the irony truck and drove it straight off a cliff.
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| Canadacdn wrote on Tue, 23 October 2007 12:04 |
California burns down every year. I think it's part of nature's cycle.
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207901 is a reply to message #207892] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 12:39 |
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| Crimson wrote on Thu, 13 July 2006 14:08 |
I believe that IF the more popular faiths are right, then this God isn't going to banish me to hell simply for not believing he exists, if I have strived to live my life without causing harm to others. (Even if sometimes I fail at that.)
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Well, I had a brilliant stroke of genius in #apathbeyond one day when we were discussing things about how God would banish his people to an eternity of torture. That, I believe, is a complete misconception. God isn't torturing you... you're allowing yourself to be tortured. Think of it this way... as we are his children: You're a child, you start to wander from your parents at a store. You keep wandering until you parents are NOWHERE in sight. You're scared out of your mind. This, to you, is torture. Now, your parents aren't torturing you by not being there... you've allowed yourself to be tortured by not staying on the right path. I don't believe Hell is this hot, fiery eternity. I think it's more or less you just being eternally lost.
As for being a kind person... so? Again, I'll go with a child-parent analogy. Your parents aren't going to allow you into their house if you treat them like they don't exist. Whether or not you're a kind person. How does that make your parents desire to let you back in their house. They've been there for you, but if you fail to acknowledge them... then why are you expected to be allowed into their house without recognition? This could be turned on the flipside as to why bad people are allowed into Heaven. No matter how bad of a person you may be, your family will be there alongside you... as long as you choose to acknowledge them and love them. You don't have to be perfect for them to love you.
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207925 is a reply to message #207901] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 14:16 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 13 July 2006 15:39 |
as we are his children: You're a child, you start to wander from your parents at a store. You keep wandering until you parents are NOWHERE in sight. You're scared out of your mind. This, to you, is torture. Now, your parents aren't torturing you by not being there... you've allowed yourself to be tortured by not staying on the right path.
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It's not the children's fault if he gets lost in a mall. It's the parents. If you lose your 6-year-old kid, it's your problem. I don't think any real parent could blame it on the child. On the other hand, if the child deliberatley decides to leave his parents at later age for example, then he obviously doesn't want to be with them in the first place. If compared to your metaphor, it would mean that we, the children, believe in God, but don't want to be with him. We want to live our own lives.
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As for being a kind person... so? Again, I'll go with a child-parent analogy. Your parents aren't going to allow you into their house if you treat them like they don't exist. Whether or not you're a kind person.
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If you treat your parent like they're nothing, you're obviously not a kind person. Unless there's somekind of "kindness-meter" that decides whether you go up or down, but we're not aware of one. The only thing we have are the values in the Bible, and based on those, only a very small percent of christians could go to Heaven.
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Most faiths are good, they teach important values and respect towards others. I'd like to think god as an omnipotent and omnipresent being: one that is everywhere and capable of doing anything. That basically means he can also be anything. Maybe christianity, buddhism, hinduism etc, are just individual ways to believe in the one true omnipower, since it can be anything...this means even bad things are a vital part of life.
But enough of this for today, sorry for any possible errors on my part, it's a bit late.
There's a hole in the sky through which things can fly.
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207960 is a reply to message #207925] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 20:32 |
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| Scythar wrote on Thu, 13 July 2006 17:16 |
| j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 13 July 2006 15:39 |
as we are his children: You're a child, you start to wander from your parents at a store. You keep wandering until you parents are NOWHERE in sight. You're scared out of your mind. This, to you, is torture. Now, your parents aren't torturing you by not being there... you've allowed yourself to be tortured by not staying on the right path.
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It's not the children's fault if he gets lost in a mall. It's the parents. If you lose your 6-year-old kid, it's your problem. I don't think any real parent could blame it on the child. On the other hand, if the child deliberatley decides to leave his parents at later age for example, then he obviously doesn't want to be with them in the first place. If compared to your metaphor, it would mean that we, the children, believe in God, but don't want to be with him. We want to live our own lives.
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No, as a child I wandered away from my parents. It was MY fault. My parents didn't do anything special to make me walk away. In my own ignorance and own little world, I wandered away. Was I bad for doing so? No, but I'm still at fault for walking away. Did I know it was going to result in me being lost? Again, no, but that still doesn't shift the blame.
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207975 is a reply to message #207824] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 21:55 |
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Remember this, though. No one can tell you what to believe, only what they believe. The rest is up to you.
As for me, I could not understand the 'invented' faiths. I tried incorporating science to make a judgment, but it only contributed to a Creationist view. All existence must come from a prior source. Evolution among other faiths removes any primary source in such a ways as to dictate that existence originates from... existence? 
I also hear the "Well, I'll believe God when I see Him" deal. Good argument.  I can't see my eyes, but I'm pretty sure I have some. I can't see entropy, yet entropy is one of the most powerful governing controls of this existence. Besides, by the time you see God, it's a bit too late to have a second opinion. 
Think what you will, but Atheism is still a faith... the faith that there is no God. Better hope you're right on that one.
As for the "well, a kind and just God wouldn't make people go to Hell" deal; Hell was not meant for humans. We screwed that one up with Adam. Besides, no one has to go to Hell. What makes it so hard to admit to doing wrong? And (as some people have), to denounce God and risk Hell just because God offered a way out of it? Where's the sense in that?
"The churches only exist to get money." Sure. This makes some sense. I'll pay 30% of what I make to the government in income taxes, pay taxes on postage, taxes on every single thing I buy, on inheritances, and on my own house! Sure! Why not? But God forbid I give 10% of what I make to an organization whose only income is inconsistent donations... 
Razgriz out.
What the heck made me type like that? There should have been twice as many grammar errors. 
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #207977 is a reply to message #207824] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 22:26 |
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Well, I bought a "Yo God!" meter. If God exists, all he has to do is move the little needle over to "Yes". While it stays on "No", I will continue to believe he doesn't exist. It arrives soon.
You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of your god. I love it.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #208007 is a reply to message #207824] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 01:42 |
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A debate on religion!?
I WANT TO PLAY TOO!!!
These are always fun.
I believe in God. I believe Jesus died for my sins and I acknowledge that I am a sinner and that I can not get to heaven because I am not perfect. I believe Jesus died for my sins and that is why I believe I will go to heaven. I believe that because thats what the bible teaches. If you ever hear some one say they have been saved thats what they are talking about.
I believe if you don't believe in God, or Jesus you will go to hell. Your willingly ignorant to the truth. Even if you don't believe the truth.
It would be cool if you got down on your knees tonight before bed and prayed to God, or Jesus...*same thing believe it or not*
It's not to late. Even if you bashed God all your life he will forgive you.
In your prayer tell Jesus that you acknowledge you are a sinner and your not perfect. Thank Jesus for dieing on the cross for your sins. Ask Jesus to lead your life and ask him into your heart and he will forgive your sins. If you truly believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins and you ask him into your heart and acknowledge you are a sinner when you die you will go to heaven. There is nothing you can do to go to heaven the only way is Jesus.
John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Sorry thats the way it is. Ok I know I really opened myself up here for a good bashing... but thats half the fun.
Some of my renegade stuff.
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| Re: hope none of you are them [message #208008 is a reply to message #207975] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 01:51 |
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| Berkut wrote on Thu, 13 July 2006 23:55 |
I can't see my eyes, but I'm pretty sure I have some. I can't see entropy, yet entropy is one of the most powerful governing controls of this existence. Besides, by the time you see God, it's a bit too late to have a second opinion.
Think what you will, but Atheism is still a faith... the faith that there is no God. Better hope you're right on that one.
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First you can prove you have eyes, by looking at a other person or better yet, a mirrior, digging them out and looking at them etc.
You cant prove there is god, only man made ideas about it which in the end are meanless as it was created by man.
Now, Atheism is not a faith and will never be a faith.
God and religion was created by man 1000s of years ago to explain why things happan, like why did my wife, goat, sheep whatever die and why does it rain and shit on me? etc..
I dont know about you, but if today some guy started to talk about god and start his own religion up, he would be called a wacko and laughed at and happy ignored, but cause our major religons are so old, everyone belives in it... so typical of human stupidty to fellow anything thats been passed down the ages.
I dont really care if people belive in gods and whatever, thats their choice and I will happy defend their freedom of choice with my life, I just dont like it when someone starts screaming at me or others that they must convert ot they gonna go to hell, etc like many god beliveing people do.
orgasised religion should be banned in my eyes, it promotes too much human stupidty in people, dont belive me`?
All the christian crusades and now the muslims terrorists bombing almost anything... this is what happans when you get people together who all belive in the same thing, they force it upon others.
ends rant.
(Am not attacking you or anything just thought I would post on what I think about the subject after I replyed to you´r thoughts)
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