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Re: Should I? [message #205374 is a reply to message #205219] Sun, 25 June 2006 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And it will take all of ohhhh.. about a day.. before the p2p software developers get around that....

(ok, maybe longer, but nobody seriously thinks they wont do they?)


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Re: Should I? [message #205392 is a reply to message #205219] Sun, 25 June 2006 15:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can't use dual boot to download a torrent? What do you use Kazaa for? Please don't tell me thats how you get mp3's or software.
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Re: Should I? [message #205424 is a reply to message #205392] Sun, 25 June 2006 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Probably the only thing I am looking forward to with Vista is to be able to enjoy HD movies, so I'll upgrade to Vista when I get a video card and monitor that are HDCP complient.

HDCP, for those of you that don't know, is probably going to be a content protection system for HD movies. It will protect video as is travels from the transmitter to the reciever by encryption. It's going to make people who want to enjoy HD movies on their computers buy HDCP complient parts (new video card, monitor, etc.) and use Vista. (Please correct me if I am wrong at all here.)

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Re: Should I? [message #205500 is a reply to message #205374] Mon, 26 June 2006 08:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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danpaul88 wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 16:07

And it will take all of ohhhh.. about a day.. before the p2p software developers get around that....

(ok, maybe longer, but nobody seriously thinks they wont do they?)



It blocks any outgoing ports that appear suspicious, beta testers have said that I wouldn't even let them download from rapidshare etc. Its also a hardware limitation because the ports are physically designed to be turned off and on by the OS on call.

Anyway, im not saying the system is 100% secrue, but even with the holes/exploits in the beta, no one can find anything to get around this problem. The minimal it would need would be a piece of hardware built into oyur system to disable that, but even that alone is complex...


Re: Should I? [message #205556 is a reply to message #205219] Mon, 26 June 2006 15:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, I expect M$ are doing all they can to stop piracy.. why I don't know since it would just push more people with tight budgets to other operating systems, but they like to be seen to be doing something about it.

I don't know anything about the technical details of how vista blocks ports, but I expect someone will crack the core OS if needed if that's what it takes to unlock them again. It might slow down p2p in the long run, but someone somewhere will get past it.

And there's nothing to stop people dual booting with linux to get their p2p fix...


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Re: Should I? [message #205571 is a reply to message #205556] Mon, 26 June 2006 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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danpaul88 wrote on Mon, 26 June 2006 17:46

Yeah, I expect M$ are doing all they can to stop piracy.. why I don't know since it would just push more people with tight budgets to other operating systems, but they like to be seen to be doing something about it.

I don't know anything about the technical details of how vista blocks ports, but I expect someone will crack the core OS if needed if that's what it takes to unlock them again. It might slow down p2p in the long run, but someone somewhere will get past it.

And there's nothing to stop people dual booting with linux to get their p2p fix...


Like I said, it is also a physical, hardware issue. I "Mod" chip will be needed. Although the dual boot issue isnt one I thought about. Now im thinking, if you used linux on a vista-built-factory PC, with the port limitaion, would it have the same effect as with Vista? Good question, anyone know the answer? Big Grin


Re: Should I? [message #205613 is a reply to message #205219] Mon, 26 June 2006 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Should I? [message #205681 is a reply to message #205219] Tue, 27 June 2006 03:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't see how they can force people to have a particular hardware setup to use vista, after all it is compatable with current PC's which were built before vista's port blocking, so I expect that dual-booting to Linux would get around the problem. But as I said before, I don't know how it works so perhaps you are right...

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Re: Should I? [message #205958 is a reply to message #205219] Wed, 28 June 2006 22:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Should I? [message #205975 is a reply to message #205219] Thu, 29 June 2006 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If Vista blocks too many P2P services, I don't think that people will change to it quite frankly.

I'd rather use Win 98 than using Vista if it limits me too much. And Linux also come with a lot of nice GUI now.

Think of the impact on broadband-companies. Who's going to give out money for high speed broadband if it ain't to download a lot. People using up over 20 giga per month, don't do that by simply surfing/gaming/downloading legal stuff...

The future in piracy combat will probably be hardware protections but there will always be people finding a way around it. And it will probably give a nice black market for computers without the hardware chip.


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Re: Should I? [message #205979 is a reply to message #205219] Thu, 29 June 2006 03:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Friend of mine says his Vista Idles at 1,056. Over a gig...

To be fair though, it was an early release of it.


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Re: Should I? [message #206024 is a reply to message #205219] Thu, 29 June 2006 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've installed Vista 32bit edition on my P4 2.8GHz, 512mb Memory and works like a charm!

A very good, Different OS!


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Re: Should I? [message #206040 is a reply to message #205219] Thu, 29 June 2006 13:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Have you tryed using kazaa/limewire or bittorrent? Did you noticed any cap on speeds?

Re: Should I? [message #206053 is a reply to message #205312] Thu, 29 June 2006 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 12:56

I hear it has 100% blocked any kind of P2P network Angry

And that is a VERY abd thing!


I have Azureaus installed and it works just fine... oh whats this! Limewire works too!



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Re: Should I? [message #206067 is a reply to message #206053] Thu, 29 June 2006 17:36 Go to previous message
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DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 29 June 2006 17:41

trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 12:56

I hear it has 100% blocked any kind of P2P network Angry

And that is a VERY abd thing!


I have Azureaus installed and it works just fine... oh whats this! Limewire works too!




ummm, wtf would I make this up. Go ask anyone that knows anything about Vista, Mircosoft themselves have said they plan to block out all P2P, but people who beta'd the 1st version say there is only a cap on the ports.




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