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Re: New Computer Research [message #204039 is a reply to message #203573] Thu, 15 June 2006 16:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was replacing the cooling on my Radeon 9800 Pro and I scratched the PCB and now I use a Radeon 9000. Haha.
Re: New Computer Research [message #204043 is a reply to message #204016] Thu, 15 June 2006 16:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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icedog90 wrote on Thu, 15 June 2006 17:00

I'm not oblivious about sound cards. I know what is good and what isn't, and I know that mine isn't that bad. I had to buy it because my integrated sound card was fucking shit. yes, I said it, it was fucking shit. that means integrated sound cards aren't worse than the SB Live.


AC'97 here, the sound cards are in our other PCs.


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Re: New Computer Research [message #204044 is a reply to message #203573] Thu, 15 June 2006 16:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hehe, that kind of stuff happens. I myself take the chipset fan and cpu fan off, clean lap and reset all heatsinks with good ol AS. Hell, I put thermaltake big water on my rig for $120 from directron.com. I have the fan on the radiator turned all the way down. It runs so cool I don't even monitor the temps anymore. If you go with water cooling, fit the lines to your liking before you fill it. I have one line I want to go over instead of under, but it's not worth removing.

I was just looking at the Gigabyte web site, note that all motherboards come from Taiwan. I guess Gigabit and gigibyte are two different company's.

mrpirate, you should have called ATI and told them that they are your bitch and you want another videocard, without any locked features. They owe you that much, they owe me that much. I think I spent $450 on the 9700 pro, faster than anything nVidia had on the market. Faster than anything nVidia had ready to release. woopty doo, I can watch the most beautiful movies you will ever see on a computer. Playing Renegade, I get 10 FPS in the middle of a huge fire fight. Now I have a $165 evga6600 gt that will never slow down in a game. Thats all I wanted.


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Re: New Computer Research [message #204045 is a reply to message #203573] Thu, 15 June 2006 16:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There're no "sound cards" on motherboards, just chips.
Sound chips (integrated) will lower the framerate in games (by little, though) due to the fact that it's using the processor's power to function. You'll get a better in-game experience as there will be no (at least there shouldn't be any) 'chipping/skipping' in the sound (moments when the chip cannot process any more sound, therefore it 'mutes' some).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168291021 88 is the best solution, in my opinion (at a decent price). It's my belief that you don't need that fancy X-Ram crap that only two games actually use.


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Re: New Computer Research [message #204048 is a reply to message #203573] Thu, 15 June 2006 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Unfortunately, the creative cards tend to be a bitch on some motherboards. For example, my friend got an Audigy 2 ZS and got the squeal of death. Then he tried getting an X-fi and he still has the problem. Strangely, the only way to fix it is to go into the BIOS and then exit on every boot.
Re: New Computer Research [message #204049 is a reply to message #203573] Thu, 15 June 2006 17:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What mobo? I've never had problems with this Creative Audigy X Gamer. I have a Gigabyte something or other mobo currently. Maybe I can just avoid whatever mobo has a problem with the creatives.

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Re: New Computer Research [message #204053 is a reply to message #203573] Thu, 15 June 2006 17:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Seems to me that manufacturer would make a BIOS update to fix that. In fact, I am sure there probably is one. This is where the Taiwan info may be handy. I caution anyone to never flash the BIOS of any hardware without full understanding of what the flash will change, and how to do it. If you lose power to the PC during a flash the BIOS chip is done. Unless you have an extra chip and the knowledge and skill to install one. Well, this is where the Taiwan info can be handy. All that being said, I use a 3rd party BIOS from Big Tony at OCZ. If the manufacturer will not write a BIOS fix someone will.

google.com.tw


Re: New Computer Research [message #204074 is a reply to message #203573] Thu, 15 June 2006 22:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I am in the same boat as Doitle is. I need to upgrade now. The only difference is that I need to because my old computer just pooped out, so I am in grave danger. Well... Really I just want to find a Motherboard (that can support two hard drives), a CPU, a big hard drive, a case with decent cooling system (or I can upgrade it), and a power supply. I am trying to stay under $1500 so have at it! There are soo many choices that I am way to confused to make decisions by myself.

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Re: New Computer Research [message #204075 is a reply to message #203573] Thu, 15 June 2006 23:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://members.optusnet.com.au/alphawolfau/Funny_shit/Thread_hijack_live.jpg

lol... Seriously though, anyone else have any inputs? It seems to have died down... Sad


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Re: New Computer Research [message #204077 is a reply to message #203573] Thu, 15 June 2006 23:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well, I think Exdeath helped you really well there.
Re: New Computer Research [message #204147 is a reply to message #203573] Fri, 16 June 2006 12:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I feel bad about the OCZ XV comments. OCZ is the best company I know of in the computer enthusiast market. They bend over backwards for their customers, and RMA hardware that they shouldn't. I know they replaced tons of modules killed by a voltage issue the DFI board had on shut down. I know customers have received replacement hardware before they shipped the original hardware to OCZ.
They are very active in the overclocking community, helpful with suggesting BIOS revisions and settings.
I would like to try Corsair modules, but I'm an OCZ customer. If i purchase a new PSU it will be OCZ. Which I will not be doing for a long time because I already have the OCZ 520w PSU. It is one of the best on the market. They may be the best PSU supplier on the market.

A 4 GHZ watercooled monster for $720

Required reading, for RAID to work you need 2 HDD's If one cost 100 bucs then you are spending 200 bucs on storage. Thats to much.


What's wrong with this video card, looks like a beast to me @ $275

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Re: New Computer Research [message #204148 is a reply to message #203573] Fri, 16 June 2006 12:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Exdeath's selection is way better than above.
Re: New Computer Research [message #204187 is a reply to message #203573] Fri, 16 June 2006 17:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is that mobo that Exdeath pasted really great? I was looking more into it, it's got an integrated sound chip. The Asus Crystal Sound system, 6 onboard USB ports, SATA support, All kinds of overclockers tools, Two Ethernet ports, Raid Support, And theres something on the panel I cant tell what it is, it's a yellow jack. Looks like a Video jack almost. I can't tell what it is but I think it goes to whatever the black horse-shoe shaped thing is in the accessories package shown on Newegg. I think I've settled on this mobo and an AMD 64 X2 4200+. What do you guys think about just that so far?

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Re: New Computer Research [message #204189 is a reply to message #203573] Fri, 16 June 2006 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think you'll be very happy with that. Thumbs Up
Re: New Computer Research [message #204192 is a reply to message #204189] Fri, 16 June 2006 18:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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icedog90 wrote on Fri, 16 June 2006 20:56

I think you'll be very happy with that. Thumbs Up



I hope he will be happy with that, because I am getting just about the same thing. Graduation money ftw!
Re: New Computer Research [message #204197 is a reply to message #203573] Fri, 16 June 2006 19:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wouldn't buy a processor right now. Wait a month and get a Conroe (Core 2 Duo). Cheaper, faster, and 50% less power.
Re: New Computer Research [message #204199 is a reply to message #203573] Fri, 16 June 2006 19:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is nothing wrong with that. Plus, it's the first thing you should decide on. That is an RCA SPDIF digital audio jack out. I don't know why it would be yellow. I thought yellow to be digital video. That is audio though. The black connection under it is TOSLINK fiber optic. You didn't complete the required reading I see.

Re: New Computer Research [message #204212 is a reply to message #203573] Fri, 16 June 2006 21:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jeesh Mission I haven't had time to read through that all yet. I keep getting on the computer for like 10 minute bursts. Just enough time to jump on and post something and then go. Me and Jeremy also went to Tiger Direct today and looked around but they didn't have much for AM2 yet. Anyhow those two connectors should make it very easy to hook my computer up to my home theatre, so I wont need comp speakers. Score. My Theatre has an optical port and a digital port. Anyhow, I wont be getting that Duo Core 2, For <reasons>, so do you guys think I should go ahead and order the mobo, a 4200+ X2 and an Antec Lansing Tower case? Get things rolling here.

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Re: New Computer Research [message #204225 is a reply to message #203573] Sat, 17 June 2006 03:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yes.
Re: New Computer Research [message #204228 is a reply to message #204197] Sat, 17 June 2006 04:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Blazer wrote on Fri, 16 June 2006 22:10

I wouldn't buy a processor right now. Wait a month and get a Conroe (Core 2 Duo). Cheaper, faster, and 50% less power.


DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 15 June 2006 00:14

Intel has a tendency to exagerate.


Until I see the benchmarks on TomsHardware.com I won't believe it.


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Re: New Computer Research [message #204256 is a reply to message #204045] Sat, 17 June 2006 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Comrade wrote on Thu, 15 June 2006 18:44

There're no "sound cards" on motherboards, just chips.

Not true, the DFI motherboard has an integrated "sound card". I can take it off and play baseball with it if i choose.


Re: New Computer Research [message #204260 is a reply to message #203573] Sat, 17 June 2006 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Does anyone know if that Asus mobo has a dedicated sound processing chip? I couldn't find that while snooping around. It just says it uses that Crystal system. I don't know if that is a processing logic or an actual onboard chipset. I'm thinking its a chipset, which you guys said wouldnt be a hit on the processor. At least I'm hoping it is. You guys know of any cool cases? Very Happy I have so far just been looking at a beige Antec style tower case with the fins running up the front.

Something like this only beige:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-det ails.asp?EdpNo=1215772&CatId=1510

I'm planning on getting a Saitek Eclipse keyboard so It'd be neato if whatever it was had blue LEDs. Very Happy As long as I don't end up looking ragtag like my current setup with both blue and pink LEDs which give the inside of my case a weird... supermanish effect.


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Re: New Computer Research [message #204264 is a reply to message #203573] Sat, 17 June 2006 14:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've been thinking about the integrated sound issue. I believe the extra processing of the on board sound should easily be handled by a dual core processor.
Case ventilation (direction of the fans) are front, bottom and sides pull air in, top and rear push air out. The direction of airflow is shown with an arrow cast into the fan casing.

Maybe someone can explain memory size to me. At what point is there to much memory? Vista, I believe will be capable of utilizing a terabyte of memory, opposed to 4megs. Where is the trade off between memory size and the time to read the available memory. For instance, I can go into 7 - 11 for aspirin and be out in 3 minutes. If I go into Wal-Mart, it takes 15 minutes. Why is this not an issue with memory? Hell, before long we can do away with hard drives. I know the whole module has to be scanned for data. I don't know why there isn't a trade off in performance.


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Re: New Computer Research [message #204279 is a reply to message #203573] Sat, 17 June 2006 16:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Part of the difference is that memory is so much faster than a hard drive. That's why they make programs to use your memory as a hard drive. Things put on it load near instantly. There is a tradeoff however, I beleive that more chips are better. Each Memory Module can only do so much at a time, and if you have two 512MB memory modules of the same speed, compared to one Gigabyte memory module, the two chips can do twice as many operations. At least at far as I understand it.

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Re: New Computer Research [message #204299 is a reply to message #203573] Sat, 17 June 2006 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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