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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #203940 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 05:18   |
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m1a1_abrams
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Tusk Missiles have a small window to do good damage to choppers, while they're still approaching you from the front and if they are flying somewhat low. You can get maybe 2 hits in with the missiles and damage them enough to force a retreat, but you won't be able to kill them unless the pilot is really bad (hovering in mid-air, not moving at all, etc). You will need some other people around to finish the job, or the chopper will fly over the top of you where you can't hit them at all.
Also, Tusk Missiles can't even reach aircraft flying at close to maximum height. Of course, good pilots rarely fly that high unless the Hand/Barracks is destroyed, so this isn't as big an issue as it might seem. Realistically though, you won't be able to kill a skilled helicopter pilot with a Mammoth Tank, in a one-on-one situation. The Mammoth can defend itself a little better than most ground vehicles (better than a Med, worse than a Light), but it's by no means a good form of air defense.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #203943 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 05:36 |
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lmao...the Mammoth is the 3rd most horrible AA vehicle in the game (only chinook and artillery are worse)...and if you want to shoot aircraft, you definitly won't be using the tusks.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #203957 is a reply to message #203949] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 07:37 |
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| m1a1_abrams wrote on Thu, 15 June 2006 08:48 |
Why not? As long as you know the range of the missiles, it's easier to hit aircraft with them and they do more damage.
You can't expect to kill an aircraft on your own with a Mammoth Tank, like I said, but that stands for all ground vehicles under normal circumstances. The only vehicles that I would consider to be better than the Mammoth at damaging aircraft would be Light Tanks and APCs. Medium Tanks are in much the same situation as a Mammoth vs aircraft, but they don't have the homing missiles for closer ranges. MRLS have an enormous blind spot around the back and sides. Buggies/Humvees die too fast to be a serious threat. Stealth Tanks also die very quickly to aircraft, plus their missiles don't home as well as Tusks. The Artillery turret tracks too slowly. Flame Tanks aren't worth mentioning vs aircraft.
All of the aforementioned vehicles are not as good as Mammoths vs aircraft, in my opinion. That doesn't make Mammoths good at anti-air, but you're really exaggerating their uselessness in that area.
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Geez...now I really have to write a longer reply to this nonsense.
When was the last time you used the tusks against aircraft? They fly in a completely different style than in Renalert...it's practically impossible to hit any aircraft that's not hovering right in front of you at ground level. You're 10 times better off using the shells.
Light Tanks, APC's...those will probably be the 2 best units, that's true.
Stealth Tanks missiles don't home as well as tusks? Are you kidding me? Mammoth Tusks hardly home at all. Stanks are pretty kickass at bringing down aircraft...one hit (which isn't that hard given the Stank's range combined with the rocket's tracking abilities) followed by 3 or 4 sniper shots from the Sakura inside and the Orca is history (and you've got the element of surprise). They're comparable with the Lights and APCs at AA combat.
A MLRS sitting at the Powerplant on City/fly can do some nice damage to an Apache hitting the Barracks without getting hit...I'm not saying they're good, but they're better than the Mammoth.
Buggies/Humvees may die fast, but they're quite good at hitting them, therefore can take care of Chinooks...something the Mammoth can't.
Med Tanks have the same problem as the Mammoth with their turret not aiming up high enough, BUT they're faster and therefore can use that to land shots at aircraft especially underneath the bridge. Apart from that, aiming with 1 barrel is more accurate.
Flame Tanks shouldn't be underestimated. Their range isn't bad at all, their turret can aim very high and their damage to aircraft is insane. For exemple, if a Flametank rushes your PP and he's standing at the entrance waiting for you to kill him with your Orca so he can run inside and remote it, there's not much you can do to stop him from entering the building. With any other unit you could just fly near him and then try to run him over or kill him from close range after he blows up. Aircraft need to keep their range, something they don't have to do against Mammoths.
Artilleries tie with the Mammoth...if they had serious armor, they would be rather good considering how high their turret can aim and the damage it does.
Bottom line is: The Mammoth can't do anything against Aircraft hovering on top of him, he can't outmanouver them at all and he is the most ineffective unit at hitting them over range.
Renegade lesson is over...if you doubt any of this we can try it out, I bet I can damage your Orca/Apache more with any of the units I've mentioned here than you can damage my Apache with a Mammoth.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #203960 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 08:15 |
MexPirate
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Skilled Orca pilot>any vehicle 1v1 - end of.
I agree more with John Doe as to his assesment of the order of usefulness - you may well hit or even kill a n00b pilot using vehicles, but the only things effective against a decent pilot are another copter or a n00bjet.
Any vehicle can be out manouvered using an orca/apache.
Mammoths are COMPLETELY useless against aircraft - I find I kill more n00b pilots with a stank than any other vehicle as mentioned, they have the element of suprise/homing missles and insane damage.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #203961 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 08:18 |
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m1a1_abrams
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The Tusks home very well at close range. The time to use them is when aircraft are hiding from snipers by putting themselves between a piece of terrain. They can't always fly higher to make the missiles start missing. At medium to long range you use the cannons. That's what I mean about knowing the range of the Tusk missiles, because there is an effective range as well as a maximum range, after which point they tend to fly off in random directions. The twin cannons are better than the Medium Tank because they have a faster rate of fire, although they don't do as much damage... plus the twin reticle is easy to aim if you use it regularly.
No vehicle can do anything against an aircraft hovering over them. It's only so much more obvious with the Mammoth because you don't have the speed to react to the pilots mistakes, when he's trying to stay directly above.
I use Mammoth Tanks regularly in Renegade and I'm under no illusion that they are good anti-air, but no ground vehicles are. If you kill an aircraft with any vehicle, you got lucky. I still think Mammoths are better anti-air than most vehicles though. Besides what I've already said, the large amount of hitpoints is a great boon vs aircraft, because you can survive long enough for help to arrive, then stick around to shoot them as they retreat.
Also, there's no need to be arrogant because while you're a good player, it's unlikely that you know everything there is to know about Renegade. Perhaps you rarely use Mammoth Tanks because of their more obvious shortcomings, so you haven't practiced enough to use them to their full potential? Rather like an average player won't be able to consistently hit bodyshots and considers tanks to be very weak against infantry.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #203996 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 11:40 |
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JohnDoe
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The Tusks home very well at close range. The time to use them is when aircraft are hiding from snipers by putting themselves between a piece of terrain. They can't always fly higher to make the missiles start missing. At medium to long range you use the cannons. That's what I mean about knowing the range of the Tusk missiles, because there is an effective range as well as a maximum range, after which point they tend to fly off in random directions. The twin cannons are better than the Medium Tank because they have a faster rate of fire, although they don't do as much damage... plus the twin reticle is easy to aim if you use it regularly.
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No they don't...that's just completely untrue. Since you refuse to trust my words I've made a couple of screenshots:
If you'll keep up using rockets against Aircraft after looking at those, then all hope is lost. BTW: Mammoth Tusks don't fly off in random directions, they simply explode.
There's not a chance in hell that the twin cannons are better than a Medium Tank...although you can learn how to aim with the twin reticle, it will never be as accurate as the single reticle. Add the manouverability and it's quite clear which tank stands more of a chance.
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No vehicle can do anything against an aircraft hovering over them. It's only so much more obvious with the Mammoth because you don't have the speed to react to the pilots mistakes, when he's trying to stay directly above.
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That's true, but like you've said the Mammoth Tank is by far the most affected, thus deeming him almost useless against aircraft.
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I use Mammoth Tanks regularly in Renegade and I'm under no illusion that they are good anti-air, but no ground vehicles are. If you kill an aircraft with any vehicle, you got lucky. I still think Mammoths are better anti-air than most vehicles though. Besides what I've already said, the large amount of hitpoints is a great boon vs aircraft, because you can survive long enough for help to arrive, then stick around to shoot them as they retreat.
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What makes you think so? They're the slowest and have a bad turret restriction...their heavy armor will just result in the enemy gaining massive points. It's not like they'll score a hit over time...their destruction is just delayed.
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Also, there's no need to be arrogant because while you're a good player, it's unlikely that you know everything there is to know about Renegade. Perhaps you rarely use Mammoth Tanks because of their more obvious shortcomings, so you haven't practiced enough to use them to their full potential? Rather like an average player won't be able to consistently hit bodyshots and considers tanks to be very weak against infantry.
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The only things I don't know involve the server side mods...with pure Renegade I'm pretty sure that I've come across everything while being in the top clans over the last 3 years...I only use Mammoths when either the base defence is down or after a vital building got destroyed on a rushmap. They're completely useless on flying maps and that's a fact.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #204010 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 13:23 |
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I tried to type out a reply, but the forum lost it.
Anyway, let's agree to disagree since we seem to have different experiences over this. It's also kinda funny that we are agreeing that all vehicles are shit vs aircraft, but arguing over their order of shittiness. I don't know why I started arguing in the first place... I must have been in one of those moods.
Edit: oh now I remember why. You were being a prick. Haha.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #204012 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 13:50 |
MexPirate
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we are agreeing that all vehicles are shit vs aircraft, but arguing over their order of shittiness.
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lol
John, your renegade looks nasty man - do you have a really shit PC or something? turn that detail up a bit.
Anyone think that this thread should probably have ended a while ago?
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #204027 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 14:59 |
MexPirate
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damn that sucks man, I was going crazy when it was doing that to me - not really sure what sorted it in the end - a format is always a good idea if you havn't done it for a while though.
Check through that thread, there were a lot of suggestions there, I am sure one of them was the thing that fixed it for me.
tbh, I didn't really get what the ss's were supposed to prove, its a picture of a mammy firing at a wall?
It's a mexican pirate .... F*ck a dog by Blink 182
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #204030 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 15:29 |
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To show how high how you can fire with shells compared to rockets.
I tried most of the suggestions...it spontaniously stopped last week for a couple of days and now it's messed up again.
I have never formated before.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #204052 is a reply to message #204027] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 17:11 |
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Pirate wrote on Thu, 15 June 2006 16:59]damn that sucks man, I was going crazy when it was doing that to me - not really sure what sorted it in the end - a format is always a good idea if you havn't done it for a while though.
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hehe, I agree. Reformat that bitch slax0r, I mean 1337 hax0r. Make sure you get sp2 off your HDD, and download the newest version from Microsoft. I hear that ms06-004 and ms06-005 cause that issue, so don't install them.
And don't forget this gem from 3 dead trolls in a baggie. Makes you cringe, don't it
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #204054 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 17:39 |
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Make sure to close all browsers before playing, for some odd reason i get bad FPS just having one IE window open..
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #204060 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 18:46 |
mision08
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Don't use 9.0 it's buggy, 8.54 I think is the one to get
Stop using IE, try this for one week and you will never go back to IE. I would not hesitate to pay for Opera, but it's FREE.
Be sure to try ctrl+backspace to navigate domains, ctrl+B for keyboard HK.
Highlight text, then choose Voice, install the TTS plug-in and your life will never be the same.
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The best finish, closest finish in the 50 year history of Winston Cup
Freddy Krueger music video
Harvester Of Sorrow, language of the mad
Johnny Cash & Bob Dylan A Thousand Miles Behind
Your own personal Jesus, someone to hear your prayers
Kyle's mom is a bitch
Johnny Cash Live @ San Quentin
Don't Y'all Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #204085 is a reply to message #196782] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 01:28 |
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Well isn't this nice, seeing everyone getting along, lol.
Come on mrpirate - I know you have SOMETHING nice to say.
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