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Re: Protests over a cartoon... wtf. [message #201472 is a reply to message #188804] Mon, 29 May 2006 15:47 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
JohnDoe is currently offline  JohnDoe
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Wrong. You can trust that what the instrument is showing you is true. But you have no way of verifying that yourself. You have no ability to see it with the naked eye (even then, you have to assume there is nothing wrong with your vision), so you have to trust what someone else tells you is there, be that a scientist, or the microscope manufacturer.


Ya and you can't trust anything you see through your glasses...wow I can't believe you actually said that. Scientists won't lie to me since they have to respect the laws of physics and their metier...and if one of them should be lying, I can always consult others. I have no idea where you're going with this...are you telling me that molecules and atoms don't exist for sure or what? This is getting even more ridiculous than believing in God.

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Tell that to Descarte, who attempted to decide whether or not we truly exist. There were no conventional "laws" in place there. Yet, his "experiment" is highly regarded, be it ultimately true or not.

With the idea of Philosophy still having to abide by certain rules, what about those who argue that God exists? The are all part of the same field, and by your definition, they follow those same rules. Therefore, by your definition, God must also exist.



We're talking about science here, not philosophy...philosophical ideas don't have to follow any rules, but that's not what we're arguing about. I understand why you would like to change the subject tho..

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The whole idea about God was to explain things that people couldn't? Sure, people invoked God when there was something unexplained (even the laws of our contry do this with complete legal backing, but that aside) however that doesn't mean it was what God was "created" for. It's just what he is used (incorrectly) for.

What do you think God was created for then? Way to dodge my question concerning God being superfluous btw...

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Wrong, it was aimed at your last statement. Hence why I said contradiction AND HISTORY. Meaning everything that was stated leading up to the contradiction.



I'm not going to read through this thread again, but my latest statement was that science has proven how life can start from the chemicals that earth was made up of, so I still don't know what you're trying to say, since I see nothing wrong with it.

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LOL, I think I'll stop arguing with you then. Obviously you have no ability to think outside conventional means, and just go with "what's best"... or should that be "what's best for what I believe". Convenient, isn't it.


I have no idea to think outside of conventional means? It's completely logical to go with the most realistic explanation and I'll believe that. I can always change my opinion, however. Give me a good reason why God and not the universe should be the starting point and I'll believe that.

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You have no reason to believe otherwise. And as you seem to enjoy stating, you have nothing but "intuition" to go on with the idea that the rules of the universe itself do not apply to what is in the universe.


It's simple logic. On the one hand we have a menthod that works, but we can't prove if it actually happened that way since we can't travel back in time, on the other we have a method that is completely based on assumptions for which we don't even have clues. With which would you go?


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