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Re: Protests over a cartoon... wtf. [message #201131 is a reply to message #188804] Sat, 27 May 2006 01:49 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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You misunderstand. It doesn't have to be intelligent, it doesn't have to be unintelligent, it doesn't even have to be alive. The fact is, I don't KNOW or pretend to know what it is that probably caused the universe into being. I merely know that SOMETHING did. I choose out of preference to call it God. Don't confuse me with the anthropomorphized diety of the superstitious, because frankly I have no way of proving such a thing. So I don't try to.



Call it Big Bang then and not God. You're basically believing into something that fit with the definition of "God" and has started the universe.

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That there is a mover. I haven't thought of a single thing that hasn't been moved by a mover, but I also have just reason to believe that what we experience or have the POTENTIAL to experience is not the be all and end all of existence. Kant supports this, and it is explained on the link I gave you. Unfortunately, I don't have a condensed copy handy, so you'll either have to look around yourself or muddle through it. Infinite regression is still possible (although negated by contemporary physics), but it still doesn't negate the necessity for some form of transcendental causality.


Yes, but every mover has been moved by another mover. I don't understand why there should be a mover that can't be moved.

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Dispite my affinity toward the big bang theory, not even science can explain how it is the whole process started. Should it have progressed on infinitely, then science has just contradicted itself in its most generic form-- that infinity is an abstract and not something tangible. There is, however, absolutely no evidence suggesting that infinity actually exists in our universe.


Right now we can measure how the star systems have moved away from a center...it makes sense to me that the dark matter will slow the star systems down and ultimatly pull them back together with it's gravity, where the energy will build up again and another Big Bang occurs.

If you believe in Big Bang you will ultimatly have to believe in infinity. Believing in infinity however will tell you that there is no starting point/God. Basically, you can't believe in God and the Big Bang at the same time and since we have clues and our physics suggest that a Big Bang has occured, I will believe in the latter.


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