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Shadow2256
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There will always be a positive and negetive side to everything. We all know cheaters may come and ruin other peoples' fun, but, you still see those people coming back don't you? They know it's not your fault, and that you are trying your hardest to make their gaming experience better for them. It is only when your server goes down in flames in an instant that you have met with a true experienced cheater. Every other one you have seen is only a wannabe. You know good and well wannabe's are not hard to block.
On top of all of this, a cheater knows how to block a cheater. So, in other words, if you have a former cheater helping to run your server. He will be able to spot cheats a mile away, and mostly know exactly what kind it is. It can be really healty for server owners to have at least one cheater on the moderation or administration team who they can trust 100%. Here's why: The assigned cheater will go out and act like a cheater, try all different kinds of cheats and hacks, and gain that knowledge. Then, this knowledge can be used to improve server security.
You may continu going on and hating cheaters. But, I will tell you this. The cheaters don't hate you. They respect you. Without you guys, where would the game be today? Only true noob cheaters hate renguard because it blocks their cheats.
Just remember that the best way to counter a cheater is another cheater.
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Yea, not all cheaters are looking to destroy Renegade. I may help em, but what's to say that I cheat? Or even play Renegade that much at all anymore? Nothing. I am here because this is the Renegade Community Forums. No rules say cheaters are not allowed here. Maybe the cheats themselves, but never the person. I am not here to crticize any of you. I visit these forums just about everyday. I like to watch people's progress on things. I would never wish to destroy the Renegade Community.
By the way: I am an Extreme C&C Reborn Fan.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195270 is a reply to message #190780] |
Wed, 05 April 2006 13:38 |
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Goztow
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Then again, if there were no cheatres, all this wouldn't be necessary and there would be a considerable gain in time and money. So my question remains as to why having no cheaters wouldn't be a good thing.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195320 is a reply to message #190780] |
Wed, 05 April 2006 23:23 |
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Goztow
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So the reasons why cheaters exist is because there will always be cheaters...
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195334 is a reply to message #190780] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 04:20 |
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Shadow2256
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No the reason cheaters exist is because everyone wants to get revenge or have an advantage over everyone else. Those willing to take the chance of possibly losing their "account freedom" are those who cheat. Cheaters exist because everyone wants to play god. So, those willling, will go out and find ways to get into the game and alter it. This therefore, giving them that advantage.
With all that said, I am just saying that since there will always be cheaters, you can't prove a point by talking about a world without them. You'd be living in a fantasy  .
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Yea, not all cheaters are looking to destroy Renegade. I may help em, but what's to say that I cheat? Or even play Renegade that much at all anymore? Nothing. I am here because this is the Renegade Community Forums. No rules say cheaters are not allowed here. Maybe the cheats themselves, but never the person. I am not here to crticize any of you. I visit these forums just about everyday. I like to watch people's progress on things. I would never wish to destroy the Renegade Community.
By the way: I am an Extreme C&C Reborn Fan.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195387 is a reply to message #190780] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 16:50 |
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Crimson
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Trust me, my bases are covered. That's why I laugh at the people who are disillusioned and think they can find any and all cheaters.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195388 is a reply to message #190780] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 16:56 |
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Blazer
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It's sad that some people would resort to a ring-0 rootkit-like kernel mod just to cheat at Renegade. Yes, it's true that there is no way to stop a ring-0 kernel hook (except with a lower one), but the one thing we will always have going for us is that cheaters always reveal themselves by...cheating.
So while its possible to bypass Renguard (such as it is possible to bypass ANY thing that runs on a computer), one thing that you cannot bypass is the ban that will result from you being discovered as cheating.
Since you have no access to the remote servers, no knowledge of assembly or kernel programming can help you change your IP or serial hash. Yes, some folks can unplug their cable modem for an hour and get a new IP. Some folks can redial into AOL and get new dialup IPs almost indefinitely...so what...banning the entire AOL IP range fixes that. Sure it would keep a few innocent people from connecting to your server, but it's better than letting some cheater ruin your games and defy the rules and rub it in your face with "you can't stop me".
RenGuard will stop most people who try to cheat. The very few people with enough skills to bypass it will be stopped by bans and proactive server owners.
All the hacks and cheats in the world won't get you past a few layers of IP and serial banning. Or if worst comes to worst, server owners can password their servers and only give the passwords out to players that they know and trust. How will you hack past that?
Seriously, why go through so much effort, just play the damn game and enjoy it like everyone else, instead of getting your rocks off from pissing people off (which, by the way is the #1 reason that cheaters cheat - not for an advantage, but because they like to see people get mad, especially at something that the cheater controls and they can do nothing about. Its a power trip.)
Ponder that for awhile.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195435 is a reply to message #190780] |
Fri, 07 April 2006 05:47 |
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Blazer
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It's a cat and mouse game but the cheaters will always lose, and good will always prevail, just like some people will say that everyone is at their mercy, and can get past even a passworded server lol.
Nobody ever claimed that RG was unstoppable. *Anything* that is running on a PC can be bypassed if you have the time, the skill, and willing to put up with the issues involved in doing it. What you cannot bypass is server owners banning you. Yeah you can say "oh I know someone who can change their IP to any IP on the internet", or some such nonsense, but I guarantee you that if I wanted to ban you, you would stay banned. Yeah you could go to a friends house, install rengade, and connect from his IP, join the game and say "hahaha I'm back again I bypassed your ban!", but guess what, it only takes half a second to ban that new IP. So it takes the cheaters immense amount of effort to even try to bypass a ban, and then the server owner just slams them down in half a second, lol.
Seriously, I don't see why anyone would even want to cheat at Renegade. Its not a huge popular game like CS where you might get some sort of "fame" on a website or podcast or something for your antics. There are very few Renegade players in comparison to "newer games", but Renegade has an almost cult-like following. We like playing it, we are addicted because it's always fun unlike new games that are fun for maybe a week. Cheating at Renegade is like cheating at Solitaire, why would you even bother to ruin such a simple fun game. Oh yeah, I forgot, to piss people off. You know if your only joy in life is to giggle like a schoolgirl as you taunt other people and get a high off of causing others harm, perhaps you should take a look at yourself and figure out what is missing in your life, such that you would rather hurt someone than be friends with them.
So bring on your rootkits and your doomsday...if you want to spend 90% of your waking hours hunched over your computer, debugging kernel mode drivers just to "pwn RG", then go ahead. The rest of us will be busy actually *having fun*, and *playing the damn game*, and *getting along with people*, instead of trying to be an internet terrorist. One day in the hopefully near future, you will grow up and realize how foolish you are. Don't think so? Fast foward to the future then. Do you really think you are going to be 40 years old, with a wife and kids, a decent job, etc. and your wife calls you to dinner and you are like "hold on honey I have to pwn some n00bs! A new version of RG came out and I'm gonna destroy the community again!".  Seriously...grow up.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195453 is a reply to message #195441] |
Fri, 07 April 2006 09:48 |
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Blazer
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| FMhalo wrote on Fri, 07 April 2006 10:58 |
I don't think its a good idea to be provoking him in releasing a bypass that cannot be fixed 
All it's going to achieve is killing public servers.
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I don't bow down to terrorists. I refuse to let someone come to our forum, specifically the support forum for our product, and brag that they have us "by the balls" so to speak.
How well do you think it would go over if you went to the microsoft support site and bragged that you had a new windows exploit that would destroy everyones PC, and threatened to release it? Please.
I would rather they release their doomsday device, then we can either counter it, or ban all of the tards who use it (Just as anything can be hacked anything can also be detected or countered). Better than having some script kiddie nubs acting like we owe them a favor. Besides, I never said I was talking to him directly...after all, he isn't on anyones side right?
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195468 is a reply to message #190780] |
Fri, 07 April 2006 14:06 |
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Shadow2256
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Good god man. Do you have selective hearing? Since when did I say I was coming here to threatin you all if you don't bow down to me? Did you not understand the words "I am on no one's side"? I am not here to put you guys down or to put cheaters down. We all have our rights and wrongs. You don't own the game and neither do cheaters (In a sense of the entire game not separate clients). It was not just you who made this community is what it is today. All I am telling you is that without those cheaters you so dread, this community would probably not be as advanced today. Cheaters cause jonwil and other scripters like WhiteDragon to make scripts stopping those cheats, which in turn they add in some much needed improvements for other areas of renegade. Some of the greatest moddrs have cheated at one point or another.
You may not like me, you may not understand me blazer. But, you must get it through your head, that I am not an enemy. Don't tell me I am a terrorist. I only tell you of this bypass to forwarn you of what the other holders of the bypass may do (EXCLUDING ME!). I am here just to tell you that even cheaters serve a purpose. Yes, they have had a part in making Renegade what it is today.
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Yea, not all cheaters are looking to destroy Renegade. I may help em, but what's to say that I cheat? Or even play Renegade that much at all anymore? Nothing. I am here because this is the Renegade Community Forums. No rules say cheaters are not allowed here. Maybe the cheats themselves, but never the person. I am not here to crticize any of you. I visit these forums just about everyday. I like to watch people's progress on things. I would never wish to destroy the Renegade Community.
By the way: I am an Extreme C&C Reborn Fan.
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