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Sometimes Canada is great [message #193404] Mon, 20 March 2006 10:48 Go to next message
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Hello from my Legal Resources class. Doing research for a project, I came across a judgment issued almost a year ago yesterday.

Just a brief caption of it:

Plaintiffs brought action against 29 internet users who allegedly downloaded more than 1,000 songs over which producers had rights under Copyright Act onto their home computers[...] Motions judge determined that downloading songs for personal use did not amount to infringement[...]Motions judge held that mere fact of placing copy on shared directory in computer where that copy can be accesseed did not amount to distribution.

A small "win" for those who like to download music, but not the final say.

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Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #193418 is a reply to message #193404] Mon, 20 March 2006 13:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ha ha ha, excellent!
Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #193439 is a reply to message #193404] Mon, 20 March 2006 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, the judge was right. Sharing songs is not illegal, selling them without licence is.

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Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #193443 is a reply to message #193404] Mon, 20 March 2006 16:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Minor thing, but that should have said "almost a year ago yesterday". Fixed.
Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #193447 is a reply to message #193443] Mon, 20 March 2006 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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warranto wrote on Mon, 20 March 2006 17:40

Minor thing, but that should have said "almost a year ago yesterday". Fixed.


u say fixed,well if u fixed his sentence,why is it the exact same.maybe he edited it ohh well.ne way i think its really cool that they got away with it.I hate those comercials that say downloading music is as bad as stealing a car or purse or even a chocolate bar from a store.
Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #193472 is a reply to message #193404] Mon, 20 March 2006 20:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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err.. I fixed MY sentence, hence why I said I made the change. He mentioned nothing about a time frame from when it was made, I, however, did.
Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #193537 is a reply to message #193404] Tue, 21 March 2006 18:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ooooooops sorry my mistake it must have been late at night when i posted because i didnt notice that u were the same person lmao lmao .
Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #193779 is a reply to message #193447] Sat, 25 March 2006 05:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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superj69 wrote on Mon, 20 March 2006 18:07

u say fixed,well if u fixed his sentence,why is it the exact same.maybe he edited it ohh well.ne way i think its really cool that they got away with it.I hate those comercials that say downloading music is as bad as stealing a car or purse or even a chocolate bar from a store.

oh, so piracy DOESN'T cost the industry millions upon millions?


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Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #193797 is a reply to message #193404] Sat, 25 March 2006 09:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Better to steal music than to have some shitty DRM software fuck around with my two thousand dollar computer.

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Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #193809 is a reply to message #193797] Sat, 25 March 2006 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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NukeIt15 wrote on Sat, 25 March 2006 10:50

Better to steal music than to have some shitty DRM software fuck around with my two thousand dollar computer.



I agree. I would buy the CDs I like, but they put that crap on them. It's too much of a risk for me.


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MaidenTy1 wrote on Sat, 25 March 2006 06:27

superj69 wrote on Mon, 20 March 2006 18:07

u say fixed,well if u fixed his sentence,why is it the exact same.maybe he edited it ohh well.ne way i think its really cool that they got away with it.I hate those comercials that say downloading music is as bad as stealing a car or purse or even a chocolate bar from a store.

oh, so piracy DOESN'T cost the industry millions upon millions?


i agree it doesnt cost as much because a lot of ppl still buy cds and its less serious then theft of a car becuase you can say tht a person downloading music costs as much as some one stealing a car
Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #193858 is a reply to message #193439] Sat, 25 March 2006 23:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Terminator 101 wrote on Mon, 20 March 2006 18:00

Well, the judge was right. Sharing songs is not illegal, selling them without licence is.



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Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #193871 is a reply to message #193404] Sun, 26 March 2006 04:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Last time I read that it's actually good if people dowload music, the singer gets more famous. But since like everyone downloads now I doubt its any good.

But anyways, I download music to see if its good. If I really like the game or music then I will buy it. And some software is verry expensive but if your still a student you can get a Windows XPsp2 or Office or any other program verry cheap.. so to then download it 'with hey I am a student I can't afford it' is just dumb because the risk of downloading such program is higher.
As for the prices when they ask 3,50 euro for one fucking song a.k.a a single thats just ridicilous.


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Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #193903 is a reply to message #193404] Sun, 26 March 2006 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It isn't the expense of the music...I'd be fine with paying $20 per CD as long as I could then rip those tracks to .mp3 and make as many copies as I wanted for my home, car, CD player, best friend, etc (without any restrictions). However, with all the copy protection bullshit, you can never be sure that the next CD you buy won't install something on your system that you really don't want there- the whole bit with Sony's rootkits is a prime example. Why should I pay top dollar for music when doing so punishes me like some kind of criminal (by force-installing software that monitors my use of the CD that I bought with my money), when I can actually go and be that criminal with no consequences whatsoever?

It's not a hard choice to make. Now, I won't touch P2P apps with a 10 foot pole because they can be as problematic as the DRM software on CDs, but I sure as hell will go scouting around the internet to find obscure little free download sites. In this case, it's safer for me and my computer to be on the "wrong" side of the law.


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Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #193971 is a reply to message #193903] Sun, 26 March 2006 23:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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NukeIt15 wrote on Sun, 26 March 2006 12:44


It's not a hard choice to make. Now, I won't touch P2P apps with a 10 foot pole because they can be as problematic as the DRM software on CDs, but I sure as hell will go scouting around the internet to find obscure little free download sites. In this case, it's safer for me and my computer to be on the "wrong" side of the law.

May I note that P2P-programs nowadays are a LOT safer than download sites. The current p2p-programs do what they need to do while the download sites often install 1001 different kinds of spyware.


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Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #194000 is a reply to message #193404] Mon, 27 March 2006 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Only if you use big download sites. I tend to look for private archives.

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Re: Sometimes Canada is great [message #194976 is a reply to message #193404] Mon, 03 April 2006 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Heh, amusing Cartoon I found. Not saying that I support what it says, but it's amusing nonetheless.

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Haha, nice find. I find that using p2p programs is fine except for the fact that they're really slow.

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