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| $c0p3 wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 15:14 |
and light lol, i think you need to rethink the definition of a n00b, as u are one urself =/
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You asked a question, I answered it. If you don't agree with my answer thats not my concern, nor will insulting me do anything more than prove your lack of maturity.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193065 is a reply to message #192863] |
Thu, 16 March 2006 20:36 |
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Is it that hard to not play in a server where vulger isn't allowed? Seriously, if you want to swear join a server where it isn't against the rules(like Crimsons). Otherwise expect to be banned. That simply really.
No point to bitch about getting banned for not following the rules. That the main point. You don't follow the servers rules and you get banned. If some server owner had a rule, no nicknames with any form of "urmom" in it are allowed then you would have to follow that. Otherwise you risk being kicked/banned.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193072 is a reply to message #192863] |
Thu, 16 March 2006 21:50 |
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That doesn't make it right, does it?
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193073 is a reply to message #193072] |
Thu, 16 March 2006 21:54 |
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| genetix wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 22:43 |
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 22:16 |
IT'S NOT OKAY TO MODERATE SWEARING. YOUR OPINION IS WRONG.
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The server owners lease the server and have rights to it. They can run it however they want.
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| Sniper_De7 wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 22:50 |
That doesn't make it right, does it?
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It does in fact.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193074 is a reply to message #192863] |
Thu, 16 March 2006 21:55 |
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How so? If a server owner abuses his powers and !kills people to steal vehicles, that isn't right. He might be able to do it, but it doesn't make it right.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193075 is a reply to message #193072] |
Thu, 16 March 2006 22:02 |
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| Sniper_De7 wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 22:50 |
That doesn't make it right, does it?
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It doesn't matter if it is or isn't. Its the server owners decision bottom line. Nothing anyone can do about it. If you don't like it don't play on that particular server. Hows that so confusing/hard to accept?
I'm an administrator for a BF2 64 player ranked server. We promote a semi swear free community and everyone loves it. Sure we aren't really strict on swearing but we get a lot of compliments about it. You would be amazed at how many people under the age of 15 play war games. I simply consider it respect. Probably why last time I check our BF2 server was ranked in the top 5.
If you want to swear play in a server that doesn't have a no swearing rule. Its that simple. Not like theres a shortage of servers to play on
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193083 is a reply to message #193075] |
Thu, 16 March 2006 22:49 |
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| genetix wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 00:02 |
If you want to swear play in a server that doesn't have a no swearing rule. Its that simple. Not like theres a shortage of servers to play on
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That point has been said before, and I quite agree.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193084 is a reply to message #193070] |
Thu, 16 March 2006 23:05 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 23:16 |
IS IT THAT HARD TO JUST FUCKING DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT THIS GAME IS TEEN RATED, AND AS SUCH YOU'RE AN IDIOT FOR MODERATING WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE CAN SWEAR?
RENEGADE, SO FAR, HAS TAUGHT US:
IT'S OKAY TO BLOW SOMEONE'S HEAD OFF WITH A GIANT BLUE BEAM CANNON THAT WOULD RIP THEIR HEAD OPEN AND SPLATTER THEIR BRAINS EVERYWHERE.
IT'S OKAY TO RUN OVER PEOPLE WITH VEHICLES, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ENEMY.
IT'S OKAY TO SWEAR, BECAUSE HAVOC SWEARS IN A VIDEO.
IT'S NOT OKAY TO MODERATE SWEARING. YOUR OPINION IS WRONG.
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Er... Is your caps lock broken? Seriously, I've seen two posts in all caps by you, it's very unlike you.
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Wed, 31 May 2006 22:30 |
I've been Nodbuggered. =( =( =(
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193086 is a reply to message #193076] |
Fri, 17 March 2006 00:20 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 00:11 |
Fuck off you overprotective, rule crazy assholes. If your idea of having fun is an addition rule to follow, then fine. You are now, in my books, a douchebag. And I will continue, given the opportunity, to voice my opinion. Why is that so confusing/hard to understand?
I hope you all fucking choke.
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*throws Mr Pirate a cookie* Now calm down, boy or no more cookies for you.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193091 is a reply to message #192863] |
Fri, 17 March 2006 01:04 |
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I will always whole-heartedly stand by a server owner's right to run their server however the hell they want to (so long as their way doesn't infringe on any applicable laws). That said, I will continue to allow swearing. I'm glad this topic came up so curious gamers will have a better idea of which servers to visit to fulfill their desire to swear or to be around people who can't/don't swear.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193096 is a reply to message #192863] |
Fri, 17 March 2006 01:56 |
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TBH, I don't care whether children play this game - it's their parents job to allow or not allow it, not ours. If parents decide to let their kids play rene, they should choose a server, where their kids don't get insulted. But those server/rules were not made for under-aged in first place!
Can't you imagine, that permanently swearing is just annoying? Wy do ppl need to say "fucking crap" instead of just "crap" "what the fuck / wtf" instead of "what?"...
I don't care, how you are used to talk to pll in RL or on-line. You think, your words aren't important enough, that you need to up-value them with colorful swearing? - Thats your decision, your manners and thats how you grow up.
I don't care about your swearing, as long as I don't have to listen to it. As said above, just play in another sandpit. There are enough good player on-line, who don't need to swear!
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193110 is a reply to message #192863] |
Fri, 17 March 2006 07:42 |
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| genetix wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 23:02 |
I'm an administrator for a BF2 64 player ranked server. We promote a semi swear free community and everyone loves it. Sure we aren't really strict on swearing but we get a lot of compliments about it. You would be amazed at how many people under the age of 15 play war games. I simply consider it respect. Probably why last time I check our BF2 server was ranked in the top 5.
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You basically just said that your server allows swearing and the people adore you for it.
I mean every server that allows semi swearing (as you call it, I mean most or all that I've ever been that allows swearing, doesn't allow anything too extreme - How many people have I seen go beyond that point and get kicked? None what-so-ever that I can recall. That said, obviously people don't really ever get out of hand. It's just a senseless rule to have, and that's the argument here. If all servers had no swearing would you say to quit the game? If you're going to argue, at least argue whether or not it's a senseless rule. As far as I can tell, no one really ever abuses it to the level of absurdity. The game is meant for teens, meaning by this age, children would have and are comfortable around swear words and violence (this is where parenting comes in and teaching your children about violence)
We all already know server owners get to do what they want. If they want to be asshats and ban/kick people who are better than them, then that's their perogative. None of this makes something right. So if you're going to argue that a server owner can do whatever he wants with his server, it holds no bearing on making it right. It's just forcing his opinion to everyone else.
Trying to ban swearing is a futile attempt to rid seeing swearing elsewhere. You'll find it in school (in case where you missed the last 6+ grades of your school, kids are using swear words) You'll find it in the street. You'll find swearing practically everywhere, and trying helplessly to avoid it is not the solution.
it's not like servers with no swearing ever not see swearing. You'll still see people swear so that throws the whole "my kid plays this game" Because people either.
A) Don't know the rules.
B) Don't give a damn about rules they believe are pointless
C) Purposely break rules
Banning swearing, is like banning alcohol in that there's still going to be people who swear, and there always will be. If you really don't want your child to see swearing.. you should really not let them play games online. That makes more sense to me than any other solution.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193116 is a reply to message #193110] |
Fri, 17 March 2006 09:21 |
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| Sniper_De7 wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 09:42 |
Banning swearing, is like banning alcohol in that there's still going to be people who swear, and there always will be. If you really don't want your child to see swearing.. you should really not let them play games online. That makes more sense to me than any other solution.
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If a country lets say the US, were to ban alcohol. It would because the effect on your body it has is similar to some illegal drugs. They would only be banning it for your benifit. Thats not my point though.
Lets say we were to ban alchohol. Are you saying you would still get alchol even if it was illegal and drink it?
If thats the case. Your an alcholholic. From my experiance bad language and drinking are usually hanging out with eachother. Im not sure how you were raised but I know you probally grew up around drinking and swearing possibly?
Swearing: There is no need for it, especially in video games. I know that some kids are bad and swear themselves. They think there so cool when they do. They pick it up from so called "adults" who swears in game. Kids swear in game alot more than they do in RL because they can get away with it. Similar with adults, its not cool realy.
I happen to like servers with no swearing policies. It shows that at least some people care for the youth. Here where I live you can be 13 and play this game. I don't know about you but I didn't swear when I was 13. When I was 13 and I was aruound swearing my other 13 y\o cousin would say "lets get out of this nonsense swearing". Its completly fine if you let your kids play this game, but as long as there of legal age. But just because its okay for them to play doesn't mean its okay for them to be around swearing.
Those who think its okay to swear in a game when they know there are young teens in it, show no respect and think about nobody but themselves.
Its perfectly ok for a server owner to ban swearing. Its his server and its his choice. There is nothing wrong with a little censorship, especially when whether it exists or not could affect our youth.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193120 is a reply to message #192863] |
Fri, 17 March 2006 09:53 |
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What is so wrong about kids swearing and why is it so important to protect them from it? I'm an adult and I swear, but it's never hurt me. It didn't turn me into a criminal and I don't do drugs, LOL. I don't understand what you think is going to happen to kids if they see people swearing on a computer game. I mean, can't you distinguish between words and "being a bad person"? It's one thing if you just hold the belief that certain words are always wrong for no reason... not that it's sensible or anything, it's just lots of people have these group-reinforcing beliefs that they picked up from authority figures in their childhood... but to try to link words with kids turning into bad people is just stupid. You haven't given any reason why, you just said that kids who swear are "bad".
Also... what's with the respect thing. Like people who swear don't have respect for other people? Well, you can swear without intending to hurt other people... if you insist on being hurt then it's your problem, as long as the other person has made it clear that he/she isn't intending it that way. I mean, if you feel you should be able to stop other people exercising their own beliefs that you find offensive, even though they are not intended to be, then I suppose you would find it perfectly reasonable for say an extremist Muslim to expect all the Christians in the world to stop being overtly Christian, or whatever. These extremists do find other beliefs offensive, so I guess all the other non-Muslims are being disrespectful by continuing to offend? Do you get my point? Your arguments for certain words being "wrong" are only leant credibility by their age, because "swear words" have been around for a long time. Think outside the box of your upbringing for a moment and you will see that it's nonsense.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193122 is a reply to message #192863] |
Fri, 17 March 2006 10:08 |
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Lets say we were to ban alchohol. Are you saying you would still get alchol even if it was illegal and drink it?
If thats the case. Your an alcholholic.
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Let's just stop here since after what I say all of that will become null and void. If you use weed are you a weed addict? Just because it becomes illegal doesn't mean you have problems. Not that I was bringing up drinking for this. I brought it up because it's similar in that, when there was a prohibition for alcohol, people sold and drank alcohol, even though it was illegal. Similarily, people on a no-swearing server do let out swear words.
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Swearing: There is no need for it, especially in video games.
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There's no *need* for a lot of things. How this figures in, you can explain to me. I don't see anythign wrong with dying and saying, "fuck" after you did something stupid and died for it. You're expressing it using a swear word. I don't feel I'm a e-badass that gets his jollies from saying it. I don't think anyone really feels they're "cool" for swearing. I've heard that so many times and it makes me sick. I've never, once, in my entire life so far, ever thought that swearing suddenly makes me cool and awesome.
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They pick it up from so called "adults" who swears in game.
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Swearing from "adults" never influenced me to swear.
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Kids swear in game alot more than they do in RL because they can get away with it.
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Kid's swear all the time. Maybe not around their parents, but they do. They get away with it a lot. I'd bargain that it's way more than servers on renegade
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I happen to like servers with no swearing policies. It shows that at least some people care for the youth. Here where I live you can be 13 and play this game. I don't know about you but I didn't swear when I was 13. When I was 13 and I was aruound swearing my other 13 y\o cousin would say "lets get out of this nonsense swearing". Its completly fine if you let your kids play this game, but as long as there of legal age. But just because its okay for them to play doesn't mean its okay for them to be around swearing.
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If a person would have asked me when I was 13 if it was OK to allow teen rated violence (swearing, blood, etc) in a teen-rated game. I would have said it was perfectly normal. and yes, it does mean its okay for a teenager to be around swearing if you buy them a game that is teen rated and the teen is of legal age. Violence and swearing go hand in hand. If your kid is able to accept people blowing eachother's heads off, the rating system also accepts that they are able to accept bad language. TEEN = SWEARING/VIOLENCE not FLUFFY BUNNIES WITH PINK HATS.
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Those who think its okay to swear in a game when they know there are young teens in it, show no respect and think about nobody but themselves.
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No... I assume any person who has renegade is capable to withstand bad language when the soul purpose of the game is killing the enemy by any means necessary. This includes shooting their face with tank shells and other various weapons. This is a safe assumption because either
A.) They are a teen and bought the game.
B.) Their parents think their children is capable of distinguishing a virtual world to a real world and bought them the game so they can enjoy it(knowing full well that there would be violence in it)
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Its perfectly ok for a server owner to ban swearing. Its his server and its his choice.
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owning a server does not make it right to do things that are wrong. Thus, abusing the powers capable (this includes setting senseless rules, letting cheaters roam free if they so wish to desire, or using the !kill command or other various wrong acts. Just because they own the server none of this makes it right. Sure, they can do it, which I've already stated and has been stated so many times, but it does not make it OK.
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There is nothing wrong with a little censorship, (a little?) especially when whether it exists or not could affect our youth.
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Like I said, if you really think a teenager can't accept the fact that violent games have swearing. then violent games are not suitable for that teenager. Online swearing means a lot less when you hear it at your school and your friends are saying it. The fact that someone might call me an asshole and he lives xxxx miles away from me, means so little to me. Now, have a person coming up to you when you're 10 years old and some kid comes on the playground and calls you it - it'll mean a lot more.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193128 is a reply to message #192863] |
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Generally a "so-and-so, please chill out" is enough to get someone to stop who's being overly abusive, but we have definitely kicked people who go crazy with it.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193155 is a reply to message #193122] |
Fri, 17 March 2006 21:16 |
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| Sniper_De7 wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 12:08 |
There's no *need* for a lot of things. How this figures in, you can explain to me. I don't see anythign wrong with dying and saying, "fuck" after you did something stupid and died for it. You're expressing it using a swear word. I don't feel I'm a e-badass that gets his jollies from saying it. I don't think anyone really feels they're "cool" for swearing. I've heard that so many times and it makes me sick. I've never, once, in my entire life so far, ever thought that swearing suddenly makes me cool and awesome.
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Then why do you take the time to “type” it ensure that everyone else on the server knows that you wanted to swear right then? If you die, yell fuck at your monitor and keep playing, if you type it out.. it’s because the actual frustration you are feeling just doesn’t seem validated unless you share it with everyone else.
| Sniper_De7 wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 12:08 |
Kid's swear all the time. Maybe not around their parents, but they do. They get away with it a lot. I'd bargain that it's way more than servers on renegade
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They usually don’t swear around their parents, because no matter how much you would like to argue it, swearing truly is offensive to most people. Their parents know that and have taught them that it is inappropriate to swear in front of others, especially others that you don’t know or who aren’t close friends. I’m a parent, and most of my other admins were/are parents whos kids actually sat down beside them and played the game for fun. WE decided (as parents) that we were going to BE parents and make sure OUR kids were not overly influenced or unnecessarily exposed to swearing. And, because it was OUR server that YOU were all guests on, that’s our right.. We didn’t make you play there, and we sure as hell weren’t trying to force our values on YOU.
| Sniper_De7 wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 12:08 |
Violence and swearing go hand in hand. If your kid is able to accept people blowing each other's heads off, the rating system also accepts that they are able to accept bad language. TEEN = SWEARING/VIOLENCE not FLUFFY BUNNIES WITH PINK HATS.
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In my opinion, that’s a cop-out. Violence and swearing do not go hand-in-hand. If you’re a violent person, you probably swear, but if you swear, you are not most likely violent. Someone that learns it’s “okay” to swear at leisure, will most likely simulate that behavior in the world. If everyone around them swears, it will become second nature. You can’t say the same about “blowing someone’s head off”… Simulated, animated violence is taken at face value; I don’t know too many people who play that are offended or have their behavior molded because of it. Can you say the same about having people tell you to “fuck off, asshole”. The violence is a part of the game, the swearing is a direct character attack and actually CREATES true hostility and possibly REAL violence.
| Sniper_De7 wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 12:08 |
owning a server does not make it right to do things that are wrong. Thus, abusing the powers capable (this includes setting senseless rules, letting cheaters roam free if they so wish to desire, or using the !kill command or other various wrong acts. Just because they own the server none of this makes it right. Sure, they can do it, which I've already stated and has been stated so many times, but it does not make it OK.
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Are we talking about an opinion here? Because, for something to be factually wrong, there must be some sort of basis, writing, guide, etc., of which we can all refer to. Do you have that “guide” which states the powers of a server owner do not include limiting swearing on their server? I didn’t think so.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #193168 is a reply to message #192863] |
Sat, 18 March 2006 00:42 |
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My son likesto play and its always a plus to have a good server to go to with proper player conduct...to these servers, I thank.
as for Scope, you dont seem to grasp the whole theory on why things are meant this way...prehaps maybe you should think about it before you type a post about it.....infact you should just lay off the typing all together....as it gets you into so much trouble.
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