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Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #188933 is a reply to message #188873] Wed, 08 February 2006 10:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'd rather get killed by an Orca I can shoot and defend myself against than be killed by seven Havocs sitting on top of the mesa on Walls Flying where they're completely out of reach and almost impossible to avoid.
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To Crimson about your own team's aircraft being anti-air defence... unfortunately Orcas have a longer ranged chaingun than Apaches, which means that Orcas *should* always win in a dogfight. Would you be willing to change something like that? Otherwise it isn't fair to expect Nod to combat Orcas with Apaches.

Also, does a team deserve to lose the game just because they lost the ability to make their own aircraft? Because that is the scenario you will be looking at in flying maps.


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I played today a bit and I must say it was great Smile

(then again, I was the one in the orca Razz)

edit: (read m1a1_abrams' post)
The problem with apaches in my opinion is usually the fact that you can shoot straight forward with the minigun. When an orca and an apache are both as high as they can, the orca can shoot the apache no matter what it's facing, however the apache can't shoot the orca if it's not going away from it or facing the opposite direction.


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Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #188944 is a reply to message #188873] Wed, 08 February 2006 10:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a question btw... does this armour change the points given for shooting light vehicles with snipers? I was under the impression that the problem was the warhead. Also, even if it does change the amount of points given for hitting say an Orca, surely it's not going to change the amount for hitting say a Light Tank?

And what about other problem weapons like the APC gun?

Edit: I'm pretty sure the Orca has a longer range, try it out in a LAN game. I just did and if I buy both aircraft and try shooting a tank from various ranges, the Orca can hit from further away.


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Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #188952 is a reply to message #188873] Wed, 08 February 2006 12:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have seen the armour increase on the buggies and aircraft and it does even out the field, BUT whats the point of making the aircraft pilots feel invincible? Every unit has a weakness, a drawback that makes it fun to use. With little/no fear of sniper retribution, and no fear of other vehicles, as all but the most n00bish can avoid a slow moving shell, the aircraft becomes premier camping vehicle.

Also... Do any of you relize how fun it is to snipe a transport out of the sky and watch the little noddies plop on the ground, or better yet, shoot one dead as he falls?

Dont take that away from us.


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Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #188955 is a reply to message #188873] Wed, 08 February 2006 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The problem is that it only take 5 rounds from a sniper to do it! I'm all for snipers being harmful to aircraft but 5 shots is RIDICULOUS for a vehicle that costs you 900 credits.

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PackHunter wrote on Wed, 08 February 2006 01:36

How the hell should we get orca's down then? :S The only thing an orca has to fear are snipers. You just made them invincible... Or mrls that stand on the other side of the map for that matter. And you don't need a buggy with medium armor because they have invented the apc for that purpose. I think this is a bad idea!



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Thank god you finally changed this stuff around. Now if ALL the servers would do it....
Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #188962 is a reply to message #188877] Wed, 08 February 2006 14:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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PackHunter wrote on Wed, 08 February 2006 02:36

How the hell should we get orca's down then? :S The only thing an orca has to fear are snipers. You just made them invincible... Or mrls that stand on the other side of the map for that matter. And you don't need a buggy with medium armor because they have invented the apc for that purpose. I think this is a bad idea!


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Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #188963 is a reply to message #188952] Wed, 08 February 2006 14:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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xtaro wrote on Wed, 08 February 2006 13:59

I have seen the armour increase on the buggies and aircraft and it does even out the field, BUT whats the point of making the aircraft pilots feel invincible? Every unit has a weakness, a drawback that makes it fun to use. With little/no fear of sniper retribution, and no fear of other vehicles, as all but the most n00bish can avoid a slow moving shell, the aircraft becomes premier camping vehicle.

Also... Do any of you relize how fun it is to snipe a transport out of the sky and watch the little noddies plop on the ground, or better yet, shoot one dead as he falls?

Dont take that away from us.


USE A PIC/RAV...trust me...a pic or rav will do even more damage than a Havoc will without the armor increase... Satisfied


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Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #188965 is a reply to message #188873] Wed, 08 February 2006 14:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like this.

But was the Orca's gun having a longer range than the Apache intentional?


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Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #188966 is a reply to message #188873] Wed, 08 February 2006 14:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's weird if it was supposed to be like that, since the Apache had the chaingun in Tiberium Dawn, not the Orca.

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Yeah, the orca definately has a better range of an apache. The apache can barely reach the corner of the WF when on the side, meanwhile the orca can reach the entrance of the Nod ref entrance about(From the strip side..). But you could say the same for Nod infantry vs GDI in that Nod's is severly weaker

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Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #188970 is a reply to message #188873] Wed, 08 February 2006 14:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There hasn't been a mass exodus from my server so it's good so far. Razz

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Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #188973 is a reply to message #188873] Wed, 08 February 2006 15:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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eew more armour i cant g3t no orkies no more, Angry i hatechew i hatechew i hatechew!!

no im not on my ren compuxxr rite now but ill be on n00bstories l8r tonite

ps dont complain if i own big time in my "invincible orca"
tats crimmies fault Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin

Oh yeah, i believe i am banned from n00bstories as xtaro, could i get unbanned to test the new armour???

Hmm i should post a tracking # so yall can follow my new comp on its way to my door.


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TD wrote on Wed, 08 February 2006 11:17

Terminator 101 wrote on Wed, 08 February 2006 16:38

For past few days I have seen many noobs who shoot at my light tank with ramjet rife, which is waste of ammo, and pointless. Don't you think so?

Pointwh0res do this. Just stay in a corner and shoot vehicles with health bar in green with your uberjet. Then go back to refill, and back to your position again. How 1337.


Crimson wrote on Wed, 08 February 2006 11:20

Regarding that, the points received for doing that are proportionately too high. That's why they do it.


Wow, seriously? Is is going to be fixed in CP2 Tell Me ?

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Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #188988 is a reply to message #188873] Wed, 08 February 2006 16:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wonder how people would like it on a server smaller than 40 players... (taking in consideration that ren was never made to be played with that much players, really :-S)

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Goztow wrote on Wed, 08 February 2006 18:25

I wonder how people would like it on a server smaller than 40 players... (taking in consideration that ren was never made to be played with that much players, really :-S)


I agree, full 40 slot servers have nothing to do with Renegade anymore. But if you are going to host one, I guess hacks like these do actually make it more playable. I could just fly over to a group of snipers and take a few out and still get away with it. It actually was kinda fun. On a normal 20 slot server though, I don't know. With just one or 2 snipers shooting at you, I think you can get away with practically anything. Especially when you take a hotty with you and stop and repair.
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PICs and Railguns. And Laser Chainguns, for that matter (especially Laser Chainguns). Not to mention the guns on Hummers, Buggies, and APCs. And let's not forget Rocket Launchers, if you know how to shoot (one would hope).

Stop complaining about n00bjets getting the nerfbat against air vehicles. They're a crutch. Use something else and you'll quickly realize that you didn't really need them in the first place.


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I played for a couple of hours tonight and it was fun. It does change some tactics though.

For instance, on most base defense maps, a buggy/humvee can now penetrate the base.

Also, there is no message telling players about the changes (like they would read it anyway heh), so some people were confused.

on hourglass I got a buggy and someone said "wtf are you going to do with a BUGGY??", and I said "watch", and I managed to get to the base of the AGT, and they were like "wtf hax?" lol

It was indeed nice to be able to drive a buggy and humvee for more than a few seconds, and my Orca still got n00bjetted from the sky, so they defnitely aren't invincible Smile
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Buggies could always reach the AGT if I remember correctly.
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since the orca and apache are much faster than most unit(perhaps all?) in the game, i think the weak armor was better. The weapons power isn't that bad either. Look Round

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I played 2-3 maps and it was not as bad as I initially thought it would be, the orcas were harder to kill but not impossible, but perhaps because of this topic, a larger number of people seemed to be using aircraft. I even saw a noddie transport rush on walls_flying, oh yes the buggy,humvee, and such were alot harder to destroy with basic infantry.
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Goztow wrote on Wed, 08 February 2006 16:25

I wonder how people would like it on a server smaller than 40 players... (taking in consideration that ren was never made to be played with that much players, really :-S)


Considering when the game first game out, Westwood ran 3 or 4 40 player servers, I would say it WAS in fact made for that many players.


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YSLMuffins wrote on Wed, 08 February 2006 15:25

I like this.

But was the Orca's gun having a longer range than the Apache intentional?

As far as I know, the Orca doesn't have longer range. It's the position of ht gun, at the Orca it's at the nose. At the Apache it's under the body.


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