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Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #182453] Sat, 17 December 2005 01:32 Go to next message
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Topic for the Ongoing Canadian Election.

Election Day is January The 23rd.


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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #182454 is a reply to message #182453] Sat, 17 December 2005 01:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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French Debate:
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English Debate:
Layton I say won.


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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #182474 is a reply to message #182453] Sat, 17 December 2005 06:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't particularily care much for these debates, as my vote lands squarely on a party that won't fuck my world over. Paul Martin, as I've said before, really isn't apt for the job. He's made that quite clear since he's been in office. However, with all politics, you must go with the lesser of two (or in this case 4+) evils.

The conservatives are off their rocker. I can't believe such a far right opposition can even have so much support. That being said< I figure that it has something to do with the scandel insomuch that it's similar to the "Vote-for-John-Kerry-because-he-is-not-Bush" argument. Something I can understand, but cannot endorse.

The NDP scare the living hell out of me. I'm sure Layton is a nice guy when he's not being a crazy politician, but as far as I'm concerned the NDP are taking liberalism farther then is both necessary and rational. It seems to me that their M.O. deals with critiquing everyone else and supporting referrendums to such critiques that are totally opposite to what was intended to be implimented. For example, the liberals want to ban handguns, well, the NDP say this is either a last ditch effort for votes, or something the liberals have been totally reluctant to do for the last decade. Instead, they want to ban ALL firearms. I technically agree with this however. The NDP want to make it so everyone loses the capacity to own a firearm (with the only exception those who use them to survive, ie, the far north). I however say that while no normal Tom Dick or Harry should be allowed to own a gun, military and police personalle should be able to own them. This of course doesn't solve all the problems of gun related crime, but it sure as hell breaks one of the possible avenues.

As for the Bloc... well, they're pretty self explanitory.

The liberals, while obviously in the midst of a touchy scandel, seem to have the fewest "bad" policies and the most "good" policies. I don't approve of the people in the party per se, especially how so many of them are blantant crooks. But I do approve of the policies such as Healthcare (because I, unlike many of you, don't mind to pay out a small amount for my, and my neighbour's healthcare), and Military policy. They are the most moderate of any of the other parties in the running, and since I am moderate myself, I have a bias toward these kinds of policies.



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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #182585 is a reply to message #182453] Sun, 18 December 2005 08:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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everyone seems to forget the green party.i think we should give them a chance considering that they r the only ones who haven't screwed us over.
Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #182737 is a reply to message #182453] Mon, 19 December 2005 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That would be because they haven't been given a chance to yet. I guarantee you that they're no better than the rest.

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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #182765 is a reply to message #182585] Mon, 19 December 2005 18:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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superj69 wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 11:19

everyone seems to forget the green party.i think we should give them a chance considering that they r the only ones who haven't screwed us over.


They haven't had a chance to. If they they could, though, they most certainly would.

I'd vote NDP anyday before I'd vote PC. My feelings are somewhat similar to Java's though, and if I could I would most likely vote liberal. Sadly this election comes just a few months too early for that though..


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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #182792 is a reply to message #182585] Mon, 19 December 2005 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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superj69 wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 10:19

everyone seems to forget the green party.i think we should give them a chance considering that they r the only ones who haven't screwed us over.


The Greens are conservatives who give a shit about the environment, 'nuff said.


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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #183597 is a reply to message #182453] Sat, 24 December 2005 17:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yeah so what if they might scerw us over given the chance, but would u rather someone who already has .and are more than likely going to do it again.
Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #184485 is a reply to message #182453] Mon, 02 January 2006 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It looks like the minority gap just closed:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060102/wl_canada_nm/canada_poli tics_poll_col

You know, my riding here in Ontario has been awfully strange. The Conservatives and the NDP have signs everywhere, but I have not yet seen ONE liberal sign. It turns out the reason for this is because our MP isn't campaigning until sometime next week. That is, only weeks before the election will he start getting his signs up. Given these polls, I would gather that the liberals have absolutely no idea what is going on outside of parlament's walls. This kind of overconfident niavness is exactly what will be Martin's downfall, and the fall of universal healthcare.



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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #184496 is a reply to message #182453] Mon, 02 January 2006 12:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I believe that your MP hasn't begun campaigning yet because he wants to (somewhat) respect the population (by not filling their minds with annoying politics! That or he has been given a limited budget similar to the ones they gave to their candidates in Quebec). And anyway, the Liberals are inadequate to protect our form of healthcare system, it's not like they prevented Alberta to allow private healthcare.

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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #185510 is a reply to message #182453] Thu, 12 January 2006 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Your healthcare system is a failure according to everything I have read thus far.

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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #185512 is a reply to message #182453] Thu, 12 January 2006 15:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Having experienced that "failure" firsthand (something I believe you haven't done), I can tell you such a thing is simply not true.


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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #185550 is a reply to message #182453] Thu, 12 January 2006 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm starting to dislike the Liberals even more. Martin has threatened to remove the "notwithstanding clause" from the constitution. The Federal Government has claimed that they will never use it, and they haven't to date, but it's still something that is good to be there. Even if only as a preventative clause.

Oh, and about the health care, there are some aspects that are not functioning as it should, but it's always nice when family members can get a few hundred dollars worth of pill a month for FREE because the "failure" of a healthcare system pays for it. Nothing is perfect, but at least we don't have to worry about never being able to afford it when we need it the most.
Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #185681 is a reply to message #182453] Sat, 14 January 2006 06:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If I had the ability to vote on this election I'd vote for the Conservatives even though I'm a member of the NDP.

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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #185939 is a reply to message #185681] Mon, 16 January 2006 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I guess I should investigate a little more before I decide. I don't want to vote someone in that will turn my world upside down :\

Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #185942 is a reply to message #182453] Mon, 16 January 2006 15:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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wtf, you aren't Canadian

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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #185964 is a reply to message #182453] Mon, 16 January 2006 17:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, the forum contingent of Canadians routinely weighs in on issues in other countries' politics, so it's only fair that everybody else should come in and comment on Canadian affairs.

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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #185986 is a reply to message #185942] Mon, 16 January 2006 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Renx wrote on Mon, 16 January 2006 17:34

wtf, you aren't Canadian


Oh my, we're back in the 1700s.



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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #185997 is a reply to message #182453] Mon, 16 January 2006 20:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh crap, I'm already fearing a Conservative majority....

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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #186092 is a reply to message #182453] Tue, 17 January 2006 16:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What's to be scared of? The Senate will remain Liberal, most of the bureaucracy will remain Liberal, etc...

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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #186862 is a reply to message #182453] Mon, 23 January 2006 22:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Conservative Minority Government; Lawrence Cannon Elected in my riding. Smile

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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #186867 is a reply to message #182453] Mon, 23 January 2006 22:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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An interesting article on the state of Canadian healthcare; take into consideration that it was published in late November of 2004, so it might be a little outdated.

I'm not saying I generally agree or disagree with it because I frankly don't know all that much about the subject, but it does at least provide a counterpoint to the pro-socialized healthcare side.


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Re: Canada Election 2005/2006 [message #186911 is a reply to message #182453] Tue, 24 January 2006 09:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And all that is true.

However, I do want to stress that it is not the system itself that is flawed. It's the management (or rather, mismanagement) that has caused it to "fail" as it seems. The system does, and can, work. It just needs to be managed in such a way that allows it to succeed.

The system, for all intents and purposes is perfect. However, even a perfect system can fail when not run correctly.

On that though, we now have a conservative minority government, and Paul Martin is stepping down
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I can't believe that the Torys won. They only won by about 20 seats I believe? Can't wait for them to screw up the government in the following years. On the positive side since it is a minority gov't the conservatives need another party to side with them to have any real say in parliment. I don't really see the NDP or the Liberals jumping up for the task. One thing that I would like to see done however is the Torys plan for Canadian Soveriegnty. We need to protect our resources in the Arctic.

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