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Re: Patriot Act Renewal rejected by the Senate [message #184337 is a reply to message #184283] Sat, 31 December 2005 15:59 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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j_ball430 wrote on Sat, 31 December 2005 11:20

SuperFlyingEngi wrote on Sat, 31 December 2005 10:14

One last thing: Who knows how many terrorists have been succesfully prosecuted and brought to justice by President Bush?

Who cares?


Think reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal hard about this one, and the answer might come to you.

Nodbugger

They aren't illegal, I had already proven that.


What you proved is that you don't know very much about how the government works.

Nodbugger

Additionally the FISC may be unconstitutional, because it may be a attempt by congress to impose restrictions on the executive Branch of the governement outside of the constitutional admendment process.



This just makes no sense. Congress can impose restrictions on the Executive without amending the Constitution. Ever heard of the War Powers Act?

Nodbugger

Based on this ruling, the President may have the authority to use warentless wiretaps on Foreign National even if it involves US citizens, regardless of the FISC act.


This, of course, is not what the ruling says at all. And isn't the issue at hand either, oddly enough.

President Bush is illegally authorizing the NSA to spy on American citizens inside America without warrants. Skipping warrants, the NSA isn't even supposed to spy inside the U.S.

Nodbugger


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/NSA.htm

Quote:

December 28, 2005--Sixty-four percent (64%) of Americans believe the National Security Agency (NSA) should be allowed to intercept telephone conversations between terrorism suspects in other countries and people living in the United States. A Rasmussen Reports survey found that just 23% disagree.



Oddly enough, that's not even the situation at hand. Nice try at using a meaningless statistic to bolster your argument, though.


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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