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| Re: This will boggle your mind... [message #183857 is a reply to message #183846] |
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Scythar
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Very nice text! Goes well along with my personal belief that "God" doesn't have to be something never-understandable.
Logic for the win. Thanks for the read U927 / Java
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| Re: This will boggle your mind... [message #183860 is a reply to message #183846] |
Tue, 27 December 2005 19:42 |
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Scythar
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I'd like to comment the following:
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and the point?’
‘at its simplest, "Life Must Go On". My personal motivation is the desire for conversation. Once you’ve achieved my level, you cease to be billions of separate entities and become one ecstatic whole. A single entity that cannot die, however advanced, or perhaps, more accurately, because it is so advanced, will get lonely and even a trifle bored! I seem to be the first. I do not intend to be the last’
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He "seems" to be the first? But he doesn't know? He has no idea what the heck made things just exist either, by the looks of it. Hehe. What I would ask if such a thing happened is "Do YOU believe in god?" 
The text makes "godness" into a hierarchical system where there are many gods, creating new gods and continuing life via evolution, but the question of what made the first god exist and what was before it still exists, it's just pushed back a bit.
Or are we still unable to comprehend that with out current brain? No solution as of yet, unfortunately 
Edit: Or maybe it's a quantum thing. You know, maybe god both exists and doesn't exist simultaneously. Would solve all the flamefights!
There's a hole in the sky through which things can fly.
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| Re: This will boggle your mind... [message #183861 is a reply to message #183860] |
Tue, 27 December 2005 20:10 |
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Meh.
"Don't try to be a great man, just be a man. Let history make it's own judgments."
"Maybe its not the destination that matters, but the journey."
"How many people does it take before its wrong? A thousand? Fifty thousand? A million?"
"Im not here to tell you how it is going to end, Im here to tell you how it is going to begin."
"Its not the end or even the beggining of the end, mearly the end of the beggining."
"Logic is the beginning of wisdom; not the end."
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| Re: This will boggle your mind... [message #183892 is a reply to message #183846] |
Tue, 27 December 2005 22:37 |
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That's a hell of a story. That guy's pretty creative, and almost convincing.
Of course, John Titor made himself sound pretty convincing, too. As did Jim Jones.
For your own safety, don't drink the Kool-Aid.
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
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| Re: This will boggle your mind... [message #183924 is a reply to message #183846] |
Wed, 28 December 2005 06:06 |
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That's the most interesting thing I've read in months.
As said, it's a logical hypothesis. It didn't convince me to be honest. I myself still don't know what to beleive.
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| Re: This will boggle your mind... [message #184079 is a reply to message #183892] |
Thu, 29 December 2005 19:06 |
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| Hydra wrote on Wed, 28 December 2005 00:37 |
Of course, John Titor made himself sound pretty convincing, too. As did Jim Jones.
For your own safety, don't drink the Kool-Aid.
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Technically, Jon Titor said that a civil war would start in 2005, so if there's going to be a war, it had better start in the next 2 days or that guy's a fucking liar.
About the link, very interesting. Though that guy is probably like Titor, full of crap.
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| Re: This will boggle your mind... [message #184098 is a reply to message #183846] |
Thu, 29 December 2005 21:53 |
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There isn't anything to dispute. This is absolutely a fiction. It's as much certain as the Teddy Bear's picnic is a fiction. I am personally surprised that anyone here has taken it beyond that level in supposing it might not be a fiction.
The author intended that the idea of a corporeal "god" be considered, not that Mr. Stottle actually sat down in a train with a middle aged man who claimed to be God. The theory is all well and good if we can buy into the highly improbable notion that this universe regresses into an infinite causal chain, but other then that, this story really shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt.
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| Re: This will boggle your mind... [message #184405 is a reply to message #183846] |
Sun, 01 January 2006 10:59 |
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I find it amazing how he remembered all of it to be later scribbled down....Every Word, ever expression.
Also he used lines from Star Trek: The Next Generation. So we know he is into Sci-Fi. Continuality is a bit off.
He says that (God) Only senses us as a whole, to see our progress.
However god is upto date on events, and common sayings "Slang". He also uses the stereotype of the middle aged white male in casual clothing. Every crazy person you see in the media is a middle aged white male on the Bus or some other common location ranting about mustard or some such.
To finish his article off he puts:
"(If you've enjoyed this, you might like to try my play - Resurrection Part 1 - Primary Species) "
If the author truly thought that he incountered god, then why would he put such a blatant "ad" "defileation" on the bottom of a message from god.
This also espablishes that the author is a writer, a man of words. Someone who writes stories for entertainment. He's not a programmer, programmers of any siginificants are not artist. Look at our very own JonWil, great programmer, but doesnt do anything artistic in the community.
So anyway, thats my breakdown.
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| Re: This will boggle your mind... [message #187271 is a reply to message #183846] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 17:48 |
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Pretty good actually. I'm not sure what I believe in at the moment, but this is a pretty good explanation. Think about it for a second, people came up with the ideas for Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Confisianism, Bhuddism, Jainism, and Hinduism. So why can't this idea be correct?
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| Re: This will boggle your mind... [message #187276 is a reply to message #187271] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 18:58 |
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| Ae0nflux wrote on Thu, 26 January 2006 19:48 |
So why can't this idea be correct?
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Well, since you asked...
The idea is premised on the principle that the universe originates in a string of finite creations creating further finites without there being a true creator of any of it. The idea is illogical and self defeating because it attempts to circumvent the idea of an infinite Creator (a.k.a. the Uncaused Cause, a.k.a. God) by saying existence is an infinite chain of finites instead of having an infinite origin. This requires the use of "infinity" to describe existence (the infinite chain), while at the same time trying to claim something infinite (the Uncaused Cause, a.k.a. God) doesn't really exist. By being unable to eliminate infinity from the premise, the story fails to present a real alternative to the concept of a true uncreated Creator.
The "infinite chain" in the scenario is itself an Uncaused Cause. Therefore the chain holds all the properties of "God" and is, by definition, God. This idea can't be possible if it's presenting a view of how the universe exists without God, but requires God to exist anyway for that premise to function. It's a contradiction and it blows the whole concept out of the water.
So that's why it isn't correct. 
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| Re: This will boggle your mind... [message #187367 is a reply to message #187356] |
Fri, 27 January 2006 12:30 |
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| NeoSaber wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 14:03 |
1) Everything originates from an infinite source. Something that always existed and was never itself created. This would be "God".
2) There is no infinite source to existence. Everything is finite and if you go back in time far enough you'll find its creation. You can continue going back forever, without ever finding a beginning. This is typically used as the "there is no God" possibility.
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3) Everything could originate from infinite OR finite source, depending on the observer. Like in quantum physics (quantum indeterminacy)
4) Everything originates from BOTH finite AND infinite source.
5) Everything originates from neither finite nor infinite source. Event like this isn't quite possible to imagine with our brain.
6) There could even be other options than just "finite" and "infinite". Again, we cannot understand such a possibility, if there is one.
In my opinion, there's no point trying to "prove" that god exists/doesn't exist. We don't even undestand the basics of the world yet, and each logical explanation one tries to give for either arqument always falls down to:
A: You believe.
B: You don't believe.
And life goes on. Nothing to see here.
There's a hole in the sky through which things can fly.
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