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| Re: Patch, Underrated? [message #182053 is a reply to message #161515] |
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Sniper_De7
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your definition of "by myself" must differ from mine, because you do about a fourth of a stanks health with all of a shotguns ammo. So unless you're talking about c4 (Which, granted, every character has...) You really didn't take him out by yourself.
So as far as saying it's good against light-medium armour(by the way i think it's the same armour as any other tank, but just with lower hp. I don't really know); i really don't think so. Not to mention it would take about 130 shotgun shots to kill one stealth tank. So i shudder to think how many it would take against a light tank.
By the way from what i believe he was just saying that in a real aow game of renegade the patch wouldn't apply because of said reason of "stank rushing your base" and not being able to get enough money to stop it. Aside from that, the most common (i believe) "scare factor" for killing a sniper without one yourself is the gunner. For good reason, as well, since you only need a single headshot or the fact that you need only some few good placed shot at their feet. (which is only relevant in tunnels, but is going to be the case with fighting snipers without being one yourself since the fact they can shoot at the other end of the map where you can't do anything.) not only that but at least the gunner can do some well good damage to a vehicle if you couldn't buy a tank.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Patch, Underrated? [message #182056 is a reply to message #161515] |
Sun, 11 December 2005 23:43 |
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Y'know I didn't say I killed it. It flipped over a hill by accident when I threw my C4 on it and started shooting it. I killed the driver by myself, though. So technically, I did manage to take it out by making the driver lose concentration on where he was going and flip over a hill.
It could be that it just has less health, I don't really know offhand. I'll have to test my theory, I guess.
The real scare factor from the Gunner soldier comes from if you're close to the sniper. Otherwise they can just stand still and snipe you off, only dodging when you shoot. And yeah, they do a good deal of damage to vehicles, but the Patch soldier also has a tiberium weapon, which will make more damaged players leery of leaving their APCs. And don't think that Patch does bad damage to vehicles, he does a semi-decent amount, which is great if you only intending to use him as an anti-infantry soldier and got caught up defending a rush.
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Wed, 31 May 2006 22:30 |
I've been Nodbuggered. =( =( =(
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| Re: Patch, Underrated? [message #182073 is a reply to message #182056] |
Mon, 12 December 2005 08:26 |
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| Lijitsu wrote on Mon, 12 December 2005 01:43 |
Y'know I didn't say I killed it. It flipped over a hill by accident when I threw my C4 on it and started shooting it. I killed the driver by myself, though. So technically, I did manage to take it out by making the driver lose concentration on where he was going and flip over a hill.
It could be that it just has less health, I don't really know offhand. I'll have to test my theory, I guess.
The real scare factor from the Gunner soldier comes from if you're close to the sniper. Otherwise they can just stand still and snipe you off, only dodging when you shoot. And yeah, they do a good deal of damage to vehicles, but the Patch soldier also has a tiberium weapon, which will make more damaged players leery of leaving their APCs. And don't think that Patch does bad damage to vehicles, he does a semi-decent amount, which is great if you only intending to use him as an anti-infantry soldier and got caught up defending a rush.
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Yeah, but any character can put c4 on it and make the driver "lose concentration". So i don't see why this ties in any advantage for when you're a shotgunner. Not to mention every level doesn't have something it could flip off a ledge, either.. and also the fact that the c4 can do it by itself.
I did mention the fact that the gunner is mainly a threat for "in the tunnel" situation (up closer) Just that it's the same for the patch because any good sniper would be able to kill him before he got close to you.
As for the patch against vehicles - I measure how good a unit is by the ability to kill it when it's being repaired. So if, say, you were a patch shooting an artillery and he had an engee inside. He can get outside of his artillery and repair it enough for the patch to not do enough damage... meaning he'd have to come close... meaning he'd be torn apart if it was a decent person in the arty. On the other hand.. At least the gunner can kill it even if it's being repaired by an engee. Like I said though; I wouldn't rely on using a gunner all the time; just when you don't have enough for a tank and you need to stop them
By the way, what does this part mean? "...but the Patch soldier also has a tiberium weapon, which will make more damaged players leery of leaving their APCs."
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Patch, Underrated? [message #182079 is a reply to message #181787] |
Mon, 12 December 2005 11:41 |
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| gbull wrote on Fri, 09 December 2005 15:10 |
Why is that? Their fire make snipers panic. And because they do pretty good damage against infantry, it means you have less time to kill them. I speak from experience in infantry battles like in CTF servers.
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instead of panicking, id shoot you in your face.
im best rene
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| Re: Patch, Underrated? [message #182109 is a reply to message #182073] |
Mon, 12 December 2005 22:31 |
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| Sniper_De7 wrote on Mon, 12 December 2005 10:26 |
By the way, what does this part mean? "...but the Patch soldier also has a tiberium weapon, which will make more damaged players leery of leaving their APCs."
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Well, sometimes on the way to a rush you get damaged and don't think to get repaired. Some of the people who use technicians or other high-priced units will be alittle more frightened of leaving the APC if they see a Patch headed their way. It doesn't stop them, just make them alittle more jumpy, which can still be good.
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Wed, 31 May 2006 22:30 |
I've been Nodbuggered. =( =( =(
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| Re: Patch, Underrated? [message #182264 is a reply to message #161515] |
Wed, 14 December 2005 10:51 |
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or buy a humvee for less money and you can dominate all infrantry and make an apc think twice before rushing you. (if you have engi's near you that is)
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| Re: Patch, Underrated? [message #182297 is a reply to message #161515] |
Wed, 14 December 2005 20:43 |
karmai
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We're talking about why NOT to waste your money on a patch..
patch is a gdi character.
But hey l0ne, if you find a way to buy a gdi buggy.. then yes it will work
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