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Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #152769] Tue, 03 May 2005 20:43 Go to next message
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When placing a beacon there are several ways to do so. The most popular way is of course using an sbh for stealth reasons. When doing so it is best to first set your nuke, then wait at least 5 seconds before placing your timed c4 near it. If you set the c4 before your nuke or right after, it usually will go off before anyone comes near. After you place the c4 hide until you are invisible again, then back off as far as possible, while still having the nuke in vision. When an engie or hottie comes, do not shoot at them right away, wait for them to start repairing the nuke then shoot them in the head and kill them. If a defender i.e. havoc, comes to the nuke first stay away from him even if he sees you, you need to stay alive as long as possible, and you do not want the hotties to start c4ing you. When you know you have it, leave so you don't have to get killed. The other effective option is to have an apc and a hottie/tech. It is also best to have a teamate in the apc with you. You then approach the building you are targeting, when you reach it, get out and plant the nuke immiediatly. It is good to have a teamate in the apc with you so that no one on the other team can steal the apc and crush you. As soon as you plant the beacon go into the apc and kill any engie that approaches. If your apc eventually gets destroyed place your mines around the nuke and defend using your pistol as best as you can. If you have a good team that is willing to cooperate, it is always good to have several SBH's to cover your nuke. If you have a well organized team it is also good to place nukes in multiple buildings at the exact same time. This divides the engies and most likely one will work, especially if you nuke 3 at the same time. And the last method I have, which isnt as good as the last is laying several nukes on the same building. This is not as good because the engies can repair one, then the next in a short amount of time.

When you are placing a beacon, you can put it anywhere like a noob. But the odds are, if the base is well defended, that it will be disarmed. But there are certain places in, on top, and around buildings that buy you extra time, are hidden, and hard to get to. The good places also allow little room for many engineers or hotties to diarm them and often have better odds of working.

In Walls Flying it is usually a good idea to place beacons on the top of buildings. This makes it harder to get to and can be defended well. A beacon on top of a building also can be defended by snipers on top of the mesa who can kill the disarmers. This is specifically for Walls Flying.

On other levels there are good spots to place beacons as well. If a building is being bombarded by tanks and there are no base defenses. Sometimes it is best to go right to where the tanks are shooting and place it there. The tank shots produce great cover.
Some of my favorite spots indoors to place beacons are in tight spaces. For example, if the Barracks is not mined, a nuke placed right next to the MCT of the Barracks is a great spot. It not only is tight but easy to defend from the opposite corner, where you can shoot the engies. Another benefit of this spot is that the enemy will most of the time not think the beacon is inside and go looking around the outside of the barracks for a long time. This buys you much needed time. And even if they come inside the barracks, the nuke is out of view and they will become confused. Whenever someone finally figures it out, you are waiting to shoot at them.
A good spot in the refinery is in the corner opposite the front door of the ref (the side the harvester unloads on) this spot is small so few people could repair it. A well placed c4 also helps tremendously. In all buildings I find, unless you have outside cover (snipers, APC, tanks) it is better to place the nukes inside than outside. Even better is inside next to a wall, this confuses the enemy into thinking it is outside.
One of the great other spots to place an ion with an apc is over any place of the strip- the unloading end being better. This is just a hard spot to get to for Nod and a good spot for placing beacons if there is no one nearby that is killing you while you place it.

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There are certain places where you should not place beacons, these places you may think are good, but are not.
These places include:
Inside the WF vehicle spawner. This is bad because it is hard to defend, you could get crushed and people find it very easily.
At the refinery between the main building and the silo, that spot is well known and searched for very quickly.
Nuking the WF as the first building to go. Unless your team is dominating the level or it is a marathon game it is very unwise to nuke the WF first. Just don't do it.
In Walls Flying on the sides of the bar. This can be quite popular, and unless you are rushing and setting it there as an added effect to the rush it is not a good idea, this is one of the spots that GDI checks for before near the MCT.
Next, don't just place nukes in places where the enemy can reach them if it doesn't effect buildings. Because it would just be really stupid if the other team got the points for a useless nuke.
This could be the most done nuke in the game and probably has the lowest percentage or working. On the level Islands it is quite popular to place the nuke on the side of the Barracks. This spot, if they hear it is the barracks, GDI swarms to and disarms the nuke a high percentage of the time. It also has no cover from friendly units other than yourself and possibly another sbh which isn't enough. If you do nuke the bar on Islands, and you must place it on the outside, do so at the back of the bar. Here it can be covered by snipers and is less looked at.

Do not fall into the trap of placing your beacons in the last few places. It only gives the other team points and makes the situation worse for your team.

Nukes are always a risk, they could win or lose a game for you so place them well. Cool
Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #152771] Tue, 03 May 2005 20:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is bad because it is hard to defend, you could get crushed and people find it very easily.

Personally, I would try to do this. If you can get it inside the vehicle spawn zone, it's even better. Why?
1. The doors will always shut, hiding the beacon.
2. People don't always think to look there.
3. If someone tries to repair the beacon, there is a good chance they will get killed by the vehicle spawn zone.

The downside is of course that you could get killed or spotted easily.


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Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #152907] Wed, 04 May 2005 15:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is just about the best reply I could ever have gotten to my topic about nuking in a 16 vs 16.

field, Nod base, the corner of the ref beside the infiltration rocks. Don't nuke there, as soon as Nod hears "ion cannon deployed" on field they go check the ref, and if they hear the beacon, they check there first. Also hard to defend because of the obelisk.
similarly, don't nuke just behind the airstrip barrier (same team, same map) as this nuke won't even take half health off the strip. you need like 3 beacons to do the job here.
best place to nuke as GDI on field is the tunnel or pedestal on an APC rush. as Nod you should walk the harvester to the refinery and place inside, next to the wall where most people place outside, to confuse. harv walking, nuking the AGT and typing in all chat "ref!!! REF!!!!!!" is a good idea, this has worked for me. You can also rush the AGT from the tunnel, letting the first missile fire foul and running against the machine gun fire. unlikely you'll survive on your own though, you should bring teamates (haha, teamates, you made that mistake too).

or first kill the base defenses and let the good times roll.
Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #152947] Wed, 04 May 2005 19:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For the nuke on the ref on field. Use two blackhands and do walljump. First some1 starts jumping
then the other jumps into him and get lifted up the wall, then place the beacon. The other sbh is for distraction. And it always works.


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Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #153816] Tue, 10 May 2005 06:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The best way in my opinion to place and ion/nuke is when you either A) can park a tank or APC on it so nobody can get it or B) in a spot where a sniper can easily shoot anybody trying to heal it. Any other way you have a 50/50 chance of it working.
Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #153829] Tue, 10 May 2005 08:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you can get a vehicle to cover your becon, its always better than using an sbh
Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #153902] Tue, 10 May 2005 17:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Heres one: plant just inside the door of the building in the corner, basically right behind door. People usually walk right past it, and the only way people will see it is if theyre heading that direction. If you plan it right, it almost always works
Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #153947] Wed, 11 May 2005 04:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tip for defusing ion/beacons get a skin that has a bright color so you can find it easier, otherwise you may be running around in circles.
Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #154089] Thu, 12 May 2005 03:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tip for defusing ion/beacons get a skin that has a bright color so you can find it easier, otherwise you may be running around in circles.
That, my dear friend, would be a cheat in my eyes...


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Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #154887] Tue, 17 May 2005 00:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Its not a cheat, its a skin. If you think that its a cheat, then every skin is a cheat, even the flaming cow Wink.

btw: Wall jumps are forbidden on most servers....
Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #154898] Tue, 17 May 2005 04:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A cheat is something that gives you an advantage towards other people that just play the mode. For me, it is a cheat just like fluo sniper skins and bighead, ... I've seen a skin which shows with huge arrows in the air were the ion beacon is. U also call that just a skin?

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Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #155030] Tue, 17 May 2005 22:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've seen a skin which shows with huge arrows in the air were the ion beacon is. U also call that just a skin?

Pure RG server all the way!


Thats not a skin because the size of the object is changed. You are not able to use that if you use renguard. Pure mode is not nescessary in that case.
Re: Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #180617 is a reply to message #155030] Sun, 27 November 2005 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #180664 is a reply to message #155030] Mon, 28 November 2005 13:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stahlei wrote on Wed, 18 May 2005 06:59

Goztow

I've seen a skin which shows with huge arrows in the air were the ion beacon is. U also call that just a skin?

Pure RG server all the way!


Thats not a skin because the size of the object is changed. You are not able to use that if you use renguard. Pure mode is not nescessary in that case.


You're both idiots.


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Re: Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #180667 is a reply to message #154887] Mon, 28 November 2005 14:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stahlei wrote on Tue, 17 May 2005 03:21

Its not a cheat, its a skin. If you think that its a cheat, then every skin is a cheat, even the flaming cow Wink.

btw: Wall jumps are forbidden on most servers....

You think advantage skins are fine but buddyjumping isn't? What the fuck?


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Re: Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #180751 is a reply to message #152769] Tue, 29 November 2005 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #180755 is a reply to message #152769] Tue, 29 November 2005 09:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmm...that's definitely new to me..
Does it kill PP? Looks like it's a long way to it from there...


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Re: Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #180783 is a reply to message #152769] Tue, 29 November 2005 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, it does. And another place, use the ''c'' button and watch out with the stepping.

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Re: Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #180798 is a reply to message #152769] Tue, 29 November 2005 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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that beacon can be disarmed from the ground.

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Re: Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #180841 is a reply to message #152769] Wed, 30 November 2005 01:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Indeed, I wouldn't nuke there.

If you get inside WF, it's sometimes a good idea to nuke behind the panel of some sorts..where the window is. It's pretty hard to spot.


Re: Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #180847 is a reply to message #152769] Wed, 30 November 2005 04:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yea, they can disarm it from the ground, but I have only seen a few people do that the 45 times I nuked there. You can also nuke here:

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Re: Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #180905 is a reply to message #153947] Wed, 30 November 2005 14:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gundar wrote on Wed, 11 May 2005 06:58

Tip for defusing ion/beacons get a skin that has a bright color so you can find it easier, otherwise you may be running around in circles.

Then come plz with such a skin on our serv
guess what will happen ^^



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if u need 3 nukes for nuke the strip on Field(back side,behind wall) then u place it on the wrong
1 nuke do it nearly, u need 2 nukes,not more
or 1 and 2-3 m8 with grenad or gunner

and the trick with agt why so hard
just wait for harv at the tunnel,walk at side of it to agt
or do harv walk from field to agt or ref(front door)
Re: Placing Beacons... The Best way & the Best Spots [message #180949 is a reply to message #152769] Thu, 01 December 2005 02:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How would you know if he had such a skin or not?

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SoQNighty wrote on Wed, 30 November 2005 15:42

gundar wrote on Wed, 11 May 2005 06:58

Tip for defusing ion/beacons get a skin that has a bright color so you can find it easier, otherwise you may be running around in circles.

Then come plz with such a skin on our serv
guess what will happen ^^



@flyingfox
if u need 3 nukes for nuke the strip on Field(back side,behind wall) then u place it on the wrong
1 nuke do it nearly, u need 2 nukes,not more
or 1 and 2-3 m8 with grenad or gunner

and the trick with agt why so hard
just wait for harv at the tunnel,walk at side of it to agt
or do harv walk from field to agt or ref(front door)


soq should learn how to play renegade tbh


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You should stop being an ass tbh.

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