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| Re: same old... [message #176993 is a reply to message #176865] |
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[RF]Puppy
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I was just saying, how can you prove it was them... You can't. Don't get me wrong, renguard was a great idea, but the only downside is that is slows the game for online play.
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edit again.
plus I guess you would have to work for your hack. If the hacks became widespread, you would solve them.
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| Re: same old... [message #176998 is a reply to message #176865] |
Sun, 30 October 2005 12:57 |
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Brenbot has the option to slow you who destroyed/killed the vehicles/characters. That way you would be able to tell.
There are logs that also so who destoryed/killed what.
Forum E-Terrorist ~ Hijacking Threads Is What It's About!
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| Re: same old... [message #177021 is a reply to message #177012] |
Sun, 30 October 2005 17:07 |
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| light wrote on Sun, 30 October 2005 16:02 |
| Renx wrote on Mon, 31 October 2005 08:16 |
RenGuard was never claimed to be perfect.
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Perhaps not by BHS directly, but I have had many an argument with server moderators that believed RG detected all cheats.
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Cheating is not a viable (nonetheless possibly effective) solution to that problem. Server moderators should listen to their owners. Server owners, being the ones that decide whether or not to enable RenGuard on their server, should know what does and does not work with RenGuard. If either side doesn't, then that side doesn't belong there.
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CrazyBastard: are you leaving any detail out (however small you believe it to be)? Like, for example, what you were doing before you were banned (and why)?
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| Re: same old... [message #177024 is a reply to message #177021] |
Sun, 30 October 2005 18:02 |
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| Kanezor wrote on Mon, 31 October 2005 13:07 |
| light wrote on Sun, 30 October 2005 16:02 |
| Renx wrote on Mon, 31 October 2005 08:16 |
RenGuard was never claimed to be perfect.
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Perhaps not by BHS directly, but I have had many an argument with server moderators that believed RG detected all cheats.
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Cheating is not a viable (nonetheless possibly effective) solution to that problem. Server moderators should listen to their owners. Server owners, being the ones that decide whether or not to enable RenGuard on their server, should know what does and does not work with RenGuard. If either side doesn't, then that side doesn't belong there.
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That true, but there are server networks out there whose owners and mods believe RG can't be bypassed, I just don't play there anymore.
As a side note, I'd like to thank you Kanezor for the way you act on these forums, you are one of the few I feel I can actually have a debate with without it degrading into an arguing match.
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| Re: same old... [message #177027 is a reply to message #176865] |
Sun, 30 October 2005 18:54 |
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Not to sound sarcastic, but what business is it of renguard of what he was doing before running it? im still waiting to see some proof or reasoning for the ban.
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| Re: same old... [message #177041 is a reply to message #177027] |
Sun, 30 October 2005 21:38 |
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Adj wrote on Sun, 30 October 2005 19:54]what business is it of renguard of what he was doing before running it? im still waiting to see some proof or reasoning for the ban.
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What he was doing before and while running it could be why he was banned.
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| Re: same old... [message #177045 is a reply to message #176943] |
Sun, 30 October 2005 22:48 |
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| Puppy wrote on Sun, 30 October 2005 08:05 |
You can get around renguard. I used a new name and went in using rengaurd and cheated, one hit kill. People tried to use force renguard on me and it said I was using renguard. They all got pissed and I just said, renguard is not unhackable you uber nubs. I don't cheat in games but I just wanted some people to know that renguard is not unhackable. This fee is stupid, renguard is stupid and I only use it so people stop bitching...
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RG does not ban you by your name only. So, not only could you have evaded the ban, but I seriously doubt you bypassed it at all.
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| Re: same old... [message #177046 is a reply to message #176993] |
Sun, 30 October 2005 22:56 |
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| Puppy wrote on Sun, 30 October 2005 14:45 |
I was just saying, how can you prove it was them... You can't. Don't get me wrong, renguard was a great idea, but the only downside is that is slows the game for online play.
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RG does not slow down online play. The data that the RG client sends to the RG network is a drop compared the waterfall of game data. I cannot even imagine RG slowing down gameplay unless you were playing on a 1200 baud modem. There is also some silly notion that RG slows you down more if you are on WOL versus GameSpy or RenIP...funny thing is, the RG datastream is the same regardless, which proves right there that some users perceptions are false.
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| Re: same old... [message #177049 is a reply to message #176865] |
Mon, 31 October 2005 02:12 |
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Logfile lines showing "crazfulla" attempting to bypass RenGuard with Cyberpunk's game2.exe. (This is the one that worked for about 30 minutes before we fixed it)
[05:52:30] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x has bad files in his renegade directory (game2.exe).
[05:53:13] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x has bad files in his renegade directory (game2.exe).
[05:53:42] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x has bad files in his renegade directory (game2.exe).
[05:53:59] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x has bad files in his renegade directory (game2.exe).
[05:55:04] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x has bad files in his renegade directory (game2.exe).
[05:55:34] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x has bad files in his renegade directory (game2.exe).
[05:56:05] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x has bad files in his renegade directory (game2.exe).
[05:58:42] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x has bad files in his renegade directory (game2.exe).
[05:59:05] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x has bad files in his renegade directory (game2.exe).
[05:59:06] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x has bad files in his renegade directory (game2.exe).
At this point, I banned him from the network...
[06:03:16] [@Crimson]: !ban
Several various attempts to get around the ban, including an IP change.
[06:04:07] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x is BANNED by Crimson on 29.10.2005 13:02:29 for crazfulla: Attempting to use a really old non-working bypass.
[06:04:22] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x is BANNED by Crimson on 29.10.2005 13:02:29 for crazfulla: Attempting to use a really old non-working bypass.
[06:05:01] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x is BANNED by Crimson on 29.10.2005 13:02:29 for crazfulla: Attempting to use a really old non-working bypass.
[06:10:48] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x is BANNED by Crimson on 29.10.2005 13:02:29 for crazfulla: Attempting to use a really old non-working bypass.
[06:13:01] [renguard network]: CrazyBastard @ 202.180.x.x is BANNED by Crimson on 29.10.2005 13:02:29 for crazfulla: Attempting to use a really old non-working bypass.
[06:13:16] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x is BANNED by Crimson on 29.10.2005 13:02:29 for crazfulla: Attempting to use a really old non-working bypass.
[16:36:17] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x is BANNED by Crimson on 29.10.2005 13:13:12 for crazfulla: Attempting to use a really old non-working bypass.
[16:51:03] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x is BANNED by Crimson on 29.10.2005 13:13:12 for crazfulla: Attempting to use a really old non-working bypass.
[16:51:28] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x is BANNED by Crimson on 29.10.2005 13:13:12 for crazfulla: Attempting to use a really old non-working bypass.
[17:53:41] [renguard network]: crazfulla @ 202.180.x.x is BANNED by Crimson on 29.10.2005 13:13:12 for crazfulla: Attempting to use a really old non-working bypass.
[21:41:41] [renguard network]: CrazyBastard @ 202.180.y.y is BANNED by Crimson on 29.10.2005 13:13:12 for crazfulla: Attempting to use a really old non-working bypass.
[00:20:22] [renguard network]: CrazyBastard @ 202.180.y.y is BANNED by Crimson on 29.10.2005 13:13:12 for crazfulla: Attempting to use a really old non-working bypass.
Note that these logs were edited to remove some private critical information about the network but the timestamps and messages are real.
Also, RFpuppy has been banned from the network until he shares his 'bypass' with us.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: same old... [message #177058 is a reply to message #177050] |
Mon, 31 October 2005 03:36 |
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| CrazyBastard wrote on Mon, 31 October 2005 03:14 |
This post is to notify all those that have posted in this thread, that I have lied to you. Yes, I have downloaded a 'really old bypass' and attempted to use it...soley to see if it actually worked (admittedly I had my doubts). Knowing me as well as many of you do, I do hack, but only to better myself as a moderator. This is what I was trying to do, as the HT servers never ran RG and I have seen evidence that it can be hacked, I wondered was it really that easy? I had no idea of the concequences - shows how much I know about Renguard. I extend my sincerest apologies to Crimson, and offer her my best wishes with her future endeavours.
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and you think people are going to buy this "explanation " huh
you've been around long enough to know ANY attempt to bypass results in a ban from renguard
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| Re: same old... [message #177068 is a reply to message #176865] |
Mon, 31 October 2005 05:18 |
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This post is to notify all those that have posted in this thread, that I have lied to you. Yes, I have downloaded a 'really old bypass' and attempted to use it...soley to see if it actually worked (admittedly I had my doubts). Knowing me as well as many of you do, I do hack, but only to better myself as a moderator. This is what I was trying to do, as the HT servers never ran RG and I have seen evidence that it can be hacked, I wondered was it really that easy? I had no idea of the concequences - shows how much I know about Renguard. I extend my sincerest apologies to Crimson, and offer her my best wishes with her future endeavours.
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Here's another example:
You're a cop. A crime investigator. You go ahead and murder some people. You do this and claim it betters your abilities with your job as you know now how a murderer thinks. Would the court be okay with this, or would you be jailed? Not a hard question.
There are way too many people defending themselves the same way you did. To all of them: if you want to study the cheats on your own so you could "indentify them better", set up a LAN game. If you can't, then don't. Leave anti-cheating attempts to those who can, and are dedicated at fighting cheaters, like BHS.
There's a hole in the sky through which things can fly.
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| Re: same old... [message #177071 is a reply to message #177050] |
Mon, 31 October 2005 05:39 |
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| CrazyBastard wrote on Mon, 31 October 2005 04:14 |
This post is to notify all those that have posted in this thread, that I have lied to you. Yes, I have downloaded a 'really old bypass' and attempted to use it...soley to see if it actually worked (admittedly I had my doubts). Knowing me as well as many of you do, I do hack, but only to better myself as a moderator. This is what I was trying to do, as the HT servers never ran RG and I have seen evidence that it can be hacked, I wondered was it really that easy? I had no idea of the concequences - shows how much I know about Renguard. I extend my sincerest apologies to Crimson, and offer her my best wishes with her future endeavours.
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I think the term dumb fuck works better!
Just for all the mindless haters of RG..."people in servers using !forcerg to someone better than them"......think hard, back to the times before RG. Those people did a similar thing...want an example:
!votekick nickname CHEATER
Causing EVERYONEto jump on the ban wagon.....
you need 3 !forcerg requests from different users to be forced to use RG....same as a poll would need more than one or two people for the vote to pass. 
Lastly RG has never given me a virus, or Trojan or slowed my game play or frame rate or picked on me, called me a loser, sent me a tell and then banned me....stop whining, other than the Norton troubles people are having, there is no one universal bit of proof that RG does any of those things.....only people who don't want to TRY it or just don't want to use it, coz it would stop them cheating tell everyone else dumb enough to listen and take them seriously that BHS is using RG as a mass conspiracy to take all your bank information and rule the entire known universe! 
Yes I over exaggerated, but so do alot of people who claim RG is crap. Like RenX said: BHS never claimed RG was perfectly infallible, they just said it is an improvement! 
You have a God given right to be stupid. Please do not abuse this right!
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| Re: same old... [message #177081 is a reply to message #177071] |
Mon, 31 October 2005 06:48 |
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| Kytten9 wrote on Mon, 31 October 2005 06:39 |
BHS never claimed RG was perfectly infallible, they just said it is an improvement!
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an improvement my arse, it just takes up sapce, people can still cheat with RG on, and thats when the mods will usually say ( about 75% of the time) o, he/she has renguard, he/she dont cheat. and that totally is stupid, what happened to the good ol' times, when some1 thought a cheater was there, and a moderator, admin, or halfmod made it their duty to see if he/she was cheating? those were the good days.
N00bStories is gay,
and Renguard sux balls
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| Re: same old... [message #177083 is a reply to message #177050] |
Mon, 31 October 2005 07:11 |
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| CrazyBastard wrote on Mon, 31 October 2005 04:14 |
This post is to notify all those that have posted in this thread, that I have lied to you. Yes, I have downloaded a 'really old bypass' and attempted to use it...soley to see if it actually worked (admittedly I had my doubts). Knowing me as well as many of you do, I do hack, but only to better myself as a moderator. This is what I was trying to do, as the HT servers never ran RG and I have seen evidence that it can be hacked, I wondered was it really that easy? I had no idea of the concequences - shows how much I know about Renguard. I extend my sincerest apologies to Crimson, and offer her my best wishes with her future endeavours.
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boy, you owned yourself.
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I will share a little secret with you: I used the first version of final renegade in a game I hosted once, along time ago when I was a n00b, to test it out. Obviously things like fully-automatic mammoth tanks made the game lag worse than RG and hence I didnt use it again. Once I left that game I went into the HazTeam server without restarting ren...Obviously FR was still operating even though I had removed it from the data folder... I killed a mod in one hit and was like OMG! and left the server immediately after I realised it was still on. I didnt go back into the HT servers for a week or so, as I was scared shitless that I would be banned. Luckily, I wasn't so much as temp banned for it. From that day, I have NEVER used a cheat - not even for testing purposes.
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ding ding ding
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: same old... [message #177098 is a reply to message #177081] |
Mon, 31 October 2005 09:30 |
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| DawGY wrote on Mon, 31 October 2005 08:48 |
| Kytten9 wrote on Mon, 31 October 2005 06:39 |
BHS never claimed RG was perfectly infallible, they just said it is an improvement!
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an improvement my arse, it just takes up sapce, people can still cheat with RG on, and thats when the mods will usually say ( about 75% of the time) o, he/she has renguard, he/she dont cheat. and that totally is stupid, what happened to the good ol' times, when some1 thought a cheater was there, and a moderator, admin, or halfmod made it their duty to see if he/she was cheating? those were the good days.
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And the only way for sure that you know your statement to be true (i.e those people who are better than you are cheating with RG on) Is if you are that person you claim to bitching about, In which case you should be banned too!
It IS an improvement. It takes up very little space, it doesn't use more than 10th the amount of memory that ren itself uses when running, so for that number to make a significant difference in the first place.....your computer sucks. Because my pc stinks, but I still get excellent performance using Ren and RG at the same time as well as TS, mIRC and MSN (sometimes media player).
!forcerg is useful for people to kick a cheater in game when no moderators are around. so like I said, an improvement, because that player isn't banned, they can always play there again, just use RG. You won't argue out of that, there is no harm in downloading RG and using it...apart to your EGO....just make sure it is from the official Renguard website....any following posts that say they recieved a virus through d/loading RG (appart from the Norton issue which is currently being resolved) is full of shit!
Have a nice day
You have a God given right to be stupid. Please do not abuse this right!
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