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Renerage
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21 named storms this hurricane season, what are everyones thoughts on global warming as well s what the United states can and or should do to help natural disaster victims?
As everyone would know if they follow weather like i do, 21 names storms in the southern Atlantic is a record, some people say its a trend, others say its global warming.
Personally, i think its global warming.
The amount of pollution we are pumping into our atmosphere is catastrophic. If we don't act, we are all going to kill ourselves as well as our planet, whether it be from the storms, heat, rain, w/e the case may be, i don't want my great-great grandkids dieing at 30 bcuz of pollution in the air.
i also think the Us needs to react faster to these disasters and stop being cheap with their releif funds.
I understand that Katrina and Rita and soon to be Wilma, will do Billions of dollars of damage but it pains me when rich SOB 's like William Gates doesn't really help these disasters alot.
The bush administration in a recent press conference stated
"Natural disasters are not our number one priority, Terrorism is a higher risk that needs our undivided attention"
Morons, i don't agree with this.
with billions of dollars of damage done, lives DESTROYED and people killed, it should become #1 priority depending on the damage.
If a big Cat 5 hits, even a Cat 4, don't you think they should start getting the funds together AS the storms progressing towards land? Not wait after it has destroyed pretty much everything in its path?
Not to mention the lack of National Guard and Paramedics that are available.
What are everyones views?
and i don't want this turning into a flame session if you guys don't mind.
Happy? Spell checked and ready to go.
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| Re: Global Warming: Katrina, Rita, Wilma: Whats next? [message #176302 is a reply to message #176260] |
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Personally I think people are overreacting a little bit to Global Warming. I think that it may be happening, but at a much slower rate then what some people are saying. It is a known fact that the climate slowly changes from year to year. One winter it can be extremely cold, like it was here in Kansas about three years ago. To being quite mild, like it was last year. One year we can get a lot of storms, while the next year get very little. Climates change. I think of the South Park episode on global warming when I hear people like Barbara Striesand(sp?) talking about it.
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| Re: Global Warming: Katrina, Rita, Wilma: Whats next? [message #176345 is a reply to message #176302] |
Tue, 25 October 2005 06:51 |
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| God of Death wrote on Mon, 24 October 2005 22:44 |
Personally I think people are overreacting a little bit to Global Warming. I think that it may be happening, but at a much slower rate then what some people are saying. It is a known fact that the climate slowly changes from year to year. One winter it can be extremely cold, like it was here in Kansas about three years ago. To being quite mild, like it was last year. One year we can get a lot of storms, while the next year get very little. Climates change. I think of the South Park episode on global warming when I hear people like Barbara Striesand(sp?) talking about it.
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So your saying, i could just be a natural trend that the earth itself follows?
Hm, interesting theory. It reminds me of the winter of 98 here in ontario. Worst one in 30 years, but since, its been crap.
Crap being, i like the snow, lol i can make snow forts 
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| Re: Global Warming: Katrina, Rita, Wilma: Whats next? [message #176373 is a reply to message #176260] |
Tue, 25 October 2005 09:18 |
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Ive noticed just in my lifetime a lack of cold. When i was a kid in Texas it snowed every year. Then once a year then none at all. I thought that it was getting warmer before the big "global warming" thing.
People say its pollution, but 1 volcano eruption puts out more than we have in our entire time. (since we could produce harmful gases etc.)
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| Re: Global Warming: Katrina, Rita, Wilma: Whats next? [message #176433 is a reply to message #176260] |
Tue, 25 October 2005 16:52 |
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They can chart temperatures for the last 100 years and prove that the "globe" is "warming".. but they can't prove that there is any link whatsoever to that trend and humans...
Most of the hurricane experts that I've heard state that the last two years are getting "back to normal". Since 1970, we've enjoyed three decades of low-grade hurricanes, most of which didn't even come ashore. Now, we're seeing the same types of hurricanes they had at the beginning of the 1900's all the way to the 1960's..
Can you blame global warming for the highly destructive cat four and five hurricanes in the early 1900's?
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| Re: Global Warming: Katrina, Rita, Wilma: Whats next? [message #176437 is a reply to message #176434] |
Tue, 25 October 2005 17:16 |
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The fact is that we do have global warming and we need to know what do do about it.
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| Re: Global Warming: Katrina, Rita, Wilma: Whats next? [message #176442 is a reply to message #176434] |
Tue, 25 October 2005 17:44 |
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| Crimson wrote on Tue, 25 October 2005 19:55 |
Since when was it Bill Gates' responsibility to pay for storm damage? Just that one sentence convinced me that you are a liberal Democrat.
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Ahh no, im not saying its his responsibility its just that i would like to see him, with all his money, help out the world.
and to the other person, i apologise, i didnt know he actually donated. I shall keep that in mind.
And for one thing crimson, i dont know what a democrat is im only 15. And live in canada, if that means ne thing.
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| Re: Global Warming: Katrina, Rita, Wilma: Whats next? [message #176517 is a reply to message #176439] |
Wed, 26 October 2005 11:36 |
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Btw, Global Warming is a theory - it is not proven.
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Tell that to the people who live near the icecaps that are melting at an amazing rate.
"Don't try to be a great man, just be a man. Let history make it's own judgments."
"Maybe its not the destination that matters, but the journey."
"How many people does it take before its wrong? A thousand? Fifty thousand? A million?"
"Im not here to tell you how it is going to end, Im here to tell you how it is going to begin."
"Its not the end or even the beggining of the end, mearly the end of the beggining."
"Logic is the beginning of wisdom; not the end."
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| Re: Global Warming: Katrina, Rita, Wilma: Whats next? [message #176557 is a reply to message #176260] |
Wed, 26 October 2005 16:25 |
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That'd be kind of hard...considering that nobody besides researchers even sees the ice caps, seeing as how one is on a barren, uninhabited continent and the other is floating in the Arctic Ocean. Nobody permanently lives on or near either ice cap.
And "melting at an amazing rate?" I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you don't have any research proving that. And the opinions of pundits and politicians do NOT count as "research." If you can provide a PUBLISHED report by credited scientists IN THIS FIELD (A climatologist, for example) that says the ice caps are "melting at an amazing rate," there would be validity in the claim. There's a big difference between the OPINIONS of scientists and ACTUAL, EXPERIMENTAL DATA. Just because Dr. Somebody said that global warming is the fault of humanity doesn't make it so if he can't PROVE it.
The fact is that there is no conclusive evidence either way. Johnny Anybody can claim that X, Y, or Z effect is due to human influence- but we can't prove that. It might be due to a natural warming cycle- a phenomenon which is known and documented as having happened before. We are in one such cycle now. Yes, we need to be careful about how we treat the environment- but we have no way of proving that this warming trend is due to human emissions (or demolitions, as it were).
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Re: Global Warming: Katrina, Rita, Wilma: Whats next? [message #176562 is a reply to message #176260] |
Wed, 26 October 2005 17:00 |
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With that said, I don't think for one second that all the emissions we create (power plants, cars fumes, refineries etc) are doing NO DAMAGE to the environment. But i'm interested that oblivion165 said a single volcano eruption harms the planet more than anything we've done...maybe I misread what he wrote :S. that's quite important to this argument though so could you say more about that if you don't mind oblivion?
let me put something forward:
what if global warming _is_ happening, _is_ coming as a result of us, and there is no way to _prove_ it, at least not yet...which is why people haven't done so. what i'm trying to say I guess is that while some things can't be proven it doesn't mean they aren't happening...and in this case, convincing yourself global warming isn't there because of a lack of evidence is foolish, since you haven't seen any evidence that it DOESN'T EXIST either.
with that said, a scientist isn't some nobody from the street that doesn't know a proton from a neutron. it's someone who has, to an extent, studied these matters...maybe their opinion does hold some weight.
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| Re: Global Warming: Katrina, Rita, Wilma: Whats next? [message #176614 is a reply to message #176260] |
Thu, 27 October 2005 05:19 |
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scientists are actually claiming that the bizare weather we are getting recently happens once every 50-100 years...
as for global warming, it's a natural event anyway....what do you think caused the polar ice caps to melt after the first Ice age?
We are more at risk of losing our magnetic field than anything else....and that could happen as early as the next 100 years....
Don't worry your heads about it, trust in fate, God, the matrix or the force....and live your life in a responsible and fun manner. You could die tomorrow, no one knows....so why worry.
Besides asking too many questions can make you necrophobic.....because you will dwell on what is coming next, instead of just dealing with it when it comes.
As for Bill Gates...do you know when he dies only 1% of his money is going to his kids. The rest is going to charity, that's billions! He donated tonnes to the Katrina incident, it's just they didn't turn around and say OMG BILL GATES GAVE US MONEH!!!!!! because most celebrities donate in private!
You have a God given right to be stupid. Please do not abuse this right!
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| Re: Global Warming: Katrina, Rita, Wilma: Whats next? [message #176637 is a reply to message #176260] |
Thu, 27 October 2005 09:36 |
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Well, we're up to 23 named storms in the Atlantic/Carribbean area. Tropical Storm Beta is cruising in towards Central America, expected to gain hurricane strength before landfall.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Re: Global Warming: Katrina, Rita, Wilma: Whats next? [message #176674 is a reply to message #176260] |
Thu, 27 October 2005 17:02 |
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Scientists at NASA and the National Snow and Ice Data Center, which have monitored the ice via satellites since 1978, say the total Arctic ice in 2005 will cover the smallest area since they started measuring.
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I'm hearing an awful lot of "Scientists Say" without any actual data attached. Without the numbers, the charts, the studies, what scientists SAY is just another bloody opinion. Nice try, but you have produced no proof.
Not only that, but your "references" come from one of the WORST possible sources- the news media. Just in case you weren't aware, the media has a tendency to publish only the most exciting stories, leaving opposing views that have less shock value in the dust. For an exaggerated example (but not as exaggerated as it might appear), which of these two report titles would more likely be seen on the front page of a newspaper?
A. GLOBAL WARMING DUE TO NATURAL CYCLE
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B. GLOBAL WARMING IS ALL OUR FAULT
B is more likely to catch a reader's attention and provoke a reaction, therefore B will be closer to the front page- you'd be lucky if you found A in a block below the editorials, as unexciting as it appears. The media caters to ratings and readership, not to balanced, well-delivered, factual information.
Go on- find a trustworthy source. Go dig up the images those satellites recorded, go get graphs depicting findings from examination of core samples (which would be an aid in determining the extent of previous warm/cold cycles), go get a few published reports (and I don't mean reports in the paper) complete with references and detailed experimental procedures. When you've got any of the above, that would be proof.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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