| Re: Renguard/Norton Problems [message #175894 is a reply to message #175890] |
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| HTGunny wrote on Sat, 22 October 2005 11:27 |
ok if i am readin this correctly - norton is causin this hacktool thing thru svkp - an ya'all are suggestin that we allow it by forcin nortons to ignore it - hmm
now my question is - what about the actual viruses or worms or what ever that are usin svkp - if we allow it then we might as well as throw all our anti virus programs away and let the infections begain
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Norton AntiVirus should NOT disable LEGITIMATE services to disable viruses! That is just plain STUPID. It would be like not using Windows because a specific virus only runs on it! That's stupid. If you're not going to use Windows, make it for a halfway-decent reason: you don't trust Microsoft, you can't afford Windows, someone gave you something else, etc etc. Disabling LEGITIMATE services to disable viruses makes it so that people who payed real money for the service are then not able to use the service they paid for! BlackHand Studios payed for SVKP to help protect it from crackers. Now Norton AntiVirus is making RenGuard useless without solving the problem that RenGuard does solve. Norton AntiVirus is hurting the C&C Renegade community, a legitimate game-playing community with people whom have paid money for the game, the gameservers, the anti-cheat services (some of us), and (many of us) have spent a lot of time for the community as a whole.
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| Re: Renguard/Norton Problems [message #175911 is a reply to message #175890] |
Sat, 22 October 2005 11:49 |
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| HTGunny wrote on Sat, 22 October 2005 12:27 |
ok if i am readin this correctly - norton is causin this hacktool thing thru svkp - an ya'all are suggestin that we allow it by forcin nortons to ignore it - hmm
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| HTGunny wrote on Sat, 22 October 2005 12:27 |
now my question is - what about the actual viruses or worms or what ever that are usin svkp - if we allow it then we might as well as throw all our anti virus programs away and let the infections begain
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Norton is detecting svkp.sys as "Hacktool.rootkit", which is just a generic classification of "we think this is a tool that hackers might use". It is more of an informational/caution message than an actual virus hit. What I mean to say is, by telling Norton to ignore svkp.sys, you are not making yourself vulnerable to viruses or trojans that use svkp, because Norton would fingerprint that specific virus, and there would be a special definitition for it like "rootkit.w32SomeTrojan". Antivirus scanners mostly work off of "fingerprints", which are CRC/checksums of parts of files. If a real virus was released that used svkp, Norton would not rely on just finding svkp.sys to detect it, it would have a fingerprint of the main virus executable itself, so you would still be protected.
| HTGunny wrote on Sat, 22 October 2005 12:27 |
so what am i supposed to do
i wont throw my antivirus away nor will i force it to allow svkp. this seams like a problem that you guys need to address and repair versus puttin your hands over your eyes and sayin to ignore it
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It depends on if you want to be a sheep and go along with Nortons idiotic claim that anything that uses SVKP is bad. That's like saying a C compiler is bad, because virus and trojans are compiled with one "Detected Microsoft Visual Studio.Hacktool.rootkit!". We paid money to license SVKP because it's the best at what it does. If we use some other protection, who is to say that Norton won't add it too (and maybe already has). I think its easy to see that Symantec/Norton are the ones who have overstepped their bounds here, and while I would like to think that we could talk to their support people and have the definition removed, I doubt it, so that means the only course of action that can be taken is by you 
| HTGunny wrote on Sat, 22 October 2005 12:27 |
i trust your program - its a pain at times but very functional and i commend you all on it - but i am forced to not use RG till YOU fix it
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As I said, there is nothing *we* can fix. The only way that we could try to fix it, is to not use SVKP, or any other sort of protection in the next version of RenGuard. Sadly, if we did that, RenGuard would get hacked in about 30 seconds from release. I don't really have time to explain in detail, but suffice to say that RenGuard without SVKP or something similar, would be like RenGuard being a renguard.txt, with one line that says "hacked=false", that someone could just edit to say "hacked=true".
| HTGunny wrote on Sat, 22 October 2005 12:27 |
bummer too - i really liked it
thanks alot for everything and good luck on this one
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I understand your frustration and believe me, nobody is more frustrated than us. We will continue to try to find the easiest solution, but in the meantime we recommend making Norton ignore svkp.sys. We would not make this recommendation if we thought it would expose your PC to other harms.
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| Re: Renguard/Norton Problems [message #175912 is a reply to message #175500] |
Sat, 22 October 2005 11:57 |
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Norton sucks now a days, I visit a forum with pro hijack this loggers, and most of the time Norton is just sleeping while those ad-aware,malwarem, trojans are running and it's a memmory hoggin program too. But yeah it sucks for the people who can't use RG now, maybe symantec should bring out a fix
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| Re: Renguard/Norton Problems [message #175923 is a reply to message #175500] |
Sat, 22 October 2005 13:20 |
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I have SAV 10 (Corporate Edition) and was hit by this crap too. I put svkp.sys in the exclusion list and reinstalled RenGuard, but when it goes to reinstall the core patch 1 it freezes up. Is the site down or is it because it is already on my system? I disabled core updates for now.
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| Re: Renguard/Norton Problems [message #175925 is a reply to message #175923] |
Sat, 22 October 2005 13:29 |
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| SuperTech wrote on Sat, 22 October 2005 15:20 |
I have SAV 10 (Corporate Edition) and was hit by this crap too. I put svkp.sys in the exclusion list and reinstalled RenGuard, but when it goes to reinstall the core patch 1 it freezes up. Is the site down or is it because it is already on my system? I disabled core updates for now.
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This sounds like a different problem than the current one, so idk...
However, the svkp.sys issue does seem to be the fault of Symantec...they should be able to scan into svkp protected files in the first place...
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| Re: Renguard/Norton Problems [message #175927 is a reply to message #175925] |
Sat, 22 October 2005 13:55 |
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Are you sure nobody is getting infected? When I got this norton problem what i did was highlight svkp and all it said was "svkp.sys"
When I deleted it and replaced it with a good coppy I got what I should have:
Description: SVKP Driver for NT
Company: AntiCracking
FileVersion: 4.0.1341.1
Size: 2.31 KB
The first file was of a different size too. It was corrupted. I know a few people with Norton who has not got the problem.
Also I have not updated my virus deffinitions in a long time and they don't just update themselves. So I do expect it was a virus going around somehow.
I have a fresh svkp. Reformating is NOT the answer.
If you have this problem still email me or msg me and I will help you find the solution.
rc22fires@hotmail.com : For msn messenger and primary email.
rc22fires@yahoo.com : Yahoo messenger.
rc22fires : AIM.
I have already got 3 people back on Renguard.
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| Re: Renguard/Norton Problems [message #175951 is a reply to message #175947] |
Sat, 22 October 2005 16:49 |
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| Recon wrote on Sat, 22 October 2005 18:06 |
omfg
i even cannot add it
sorry guys
but my renguard period is OVER AND OUT!
It was a great program guys
i really enjoyed it.
Good work
well its over now
greetz Recon
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Have you read any suggestions so you can fix this problem?
Also, to revive your renguard shred your norton CD's and uninstall everyting from Norton if you refuse to read them. 
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| Re: Renguard/Norton Problems [message #175992 is a reply to message #175977] |
Sun, 23 October 2005 02:46 |
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RANGER wrote on Sat, 22 October 2005 23:34]My norton pops up also, but i just ignore it and it still works for me. For all of you that think norton sucks. Have you thought that maybe they are just being cautious, and if your anti-virus doesnt detect programs running svkp.sys then will it detect the viruses using them?
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Ranger... give me a break, norton has such a long history of false positives and missing certain viruses that it makes me wanna beat the crap out of every sucker i see who uses it and teach them a lesson not to use NORTON!
if you want a GOOD antivirus, use what I use, bitdefender or try kaspersky, not to mention the fact that bitdefender was recommended to me by v00d00 himself! I have found many things since i got rid of norton, i found a hefty pile of trojans, from downloading things I wasn't supposed to be 
anyway, 1 last word,
NORTON SUX!
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| Re: Renguard/Norton Problems [message #175993 is a reply to message #175893] |
Sun, 23 October 2005 02:55 |
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What if you deleted this one. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\SVKP. But won't let you delete this one:HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\Root\LE GACY _SVKP. It's telling me I can't delete this one.I deleted the other one in controlset 1.
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| Re: Renguard/Norton Problems [message #175995 is a reply to message #175893] |
Sun, 23 October 2005 03:19 |
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Thanks for the great help you guys offer with this pesky problem. The how to get renguard working again tutorial is very good. I want to add a little thing to that: Most ppl got autoprotect enabled so you must also svkp.sys exclude in the autoprotect during the steps in which u exclude svkp.sys
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| Re: Renguard/Norton Problems [message #176000 is a reply to message #175500] |
Sun, 23 October 2005 06:11 |
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i just dont get it because
i uninstalled renguard
added my westwood folder to 2 exclude options
at system and other
reinstalled renguard
and i get the message
error intializing bla bla bla
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| Re: Renguard/Norton Problems [message #176051 is a reply to message #175500] |
Sun, 23 October 2005 12:27 |
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Kaspersky is hella slow when scanning, its worse than norton.
NOD32 is one of the best av's to use, it doesn't hog your ram or slow you one bit, plus it has found everything so far.
And i have to agree, Norton does suck.
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