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| Hurricane Katrina Aftermath [message #168787] |
Wed, 31 August 2005 18:32  |
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DarkDemin
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Everyone knows how horrible the hurricane has been here. Over 100 people are dead just in one county. I have a small question to ask you to give your input on.
We send all kinds of aide to countries after a disaster and don't ask for anything in return and we have a disaster and no one even offers to help. Why?
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| Re: Hurricane Katrina Aftermath [message #168790 is a reply to message #168787] |
Wed, 31 August 2005 18:56  |
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I heard Germany offered it's help.
Also, remember that the world is evil and has been for a very long time. It's unfortunate, and many would try to tell you otherwise, but it's true. Jesus said people of God are the salt of the Earth (Matt. 5:13). We shouldn't yield any of legitimate aid to foreign nations because of any apparent lack of aid from them. The love from Americans, or anyone else, should not be conditional.
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| Re: Hurricane Katrina Aftermath [message #169047 is a reply to message #168790] |
Fri, 02 September 2005 04:50 |
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| MrBob wrote on Wed, 31 August 2005 20:56 |
I heard Germany offered it's help.
Also, remember that the world is evil and has been for a very long time. It's unfortunate, and many would try to tell you otherwise, but it's true. Jesus said people of God are the salt of the Earth (Matt. 5:13). We shouldn't yield any of legitimate aid to foreign nations because of any apparent lack of aid from them. The love from Americans, or anyone else, should not be conditional.
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I also agree with this statement. Even though i live in the UK. I do feel that a country should not just give aid because it expects the same things back, it should give aid because it cares about the other countries.
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| Re: Hurricane Katrina Aftermath [message #169062 is a reply to message #168787] |
Fri, 02 September 2005 08:14 |
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| DarkDemin wrote on Wed, 31 August 2005 20:32 |
We send all kinds of aide to countries after a disaster and don't ask for anything in return and we have a disaster and no one even offers to help. Why?
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We don't need their help. We are not a third-world country, we are the most powerful country in the world. We can handle it ourselves.
I'm not saying that any support wouldn't be appriciated, but we don't REQUIRE it to get through this like some countries would REQUIRE our help to get through something.
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| Re: Hurricane Katrina Aftermath [message #169067 is a reply to message #168787] |
Fri, 02 September 2005 09:01 |
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International response
Main article: International response to the 2005 Hurricane Katrina
Initially, the United States had been reluctant to accept donations and aid from foreign countries, particularly from those countries much poorer than itself. However, this policy was reversed, and as the reports of damage grew more grim, the United States is now on the receiving end of foreign aid. Currently, countries offering to send aid include Australia, Canada, China, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, France, Germany, Greece, Honduras, Hungary, Israel, Jamaica, Japan, Mexico, the Netherlands, other members in NATO, Norway, the OAS, Russia, Singapore, South Korea, Switzerland, the UAE, the United Kingdom, and Venezuela. Sweden has also been reported to offer help, and is awaiting a reply to which forms of requested help there is from their Washington embassy.
As of September 2, the Canadian Heavy Urban Search and Rescue team is operating in the Louisiana area, co-ordinating search and rescue efforts with the state police and the National Guard [40]. Three Singaporean CH-47 Chinook helicopters and thirty-eight RSAF personnel from a training detachment based in Grand Prairie, Texas are also assisting in relief operations, operating out of Fort Polk in cooperation with the Texas Army National Guard [41].
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Just suck it up and admit it, you need it, no shame in needing help for once. Oh and no one responded with offers to help? Heh, I think Wikipedia, and if you need a dozen other sources including Fox, would like to disagree. Even if you don't need the help with rescuing people or delivering food and all such, the flooding in New Orleans and other things will make the cost of rebuilding and such ... well monumental if I know anything. And mind you that you've still got troops in Iraq and such, so the budget for rebuilding and relief and so on will become strained.
Well that's what I think at least, and I mean looking at footage and reading damage reports, it looks grim.
Personally I think politics should be totally forgotten at times like this, I mean political wrangling Internationally and especially nationally (CNN anyone? Every cheap shot possible was taken... still being taken, I mean for fucks sake even Clinton told CNN to pretty much 'STFU') where all it does is delay things.
"I am Jack's smirking revenge."
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| Re: Hurricane Katrina Aftermath [message #169146 is a reply to message #169062] |
Sat, 03 September 2005 00:33 |
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| majikent wrote on Fri, 02 September 2005 11:14 |
We don't need their help. We are not a third-world country, we are the most powerful country in the world. We can handle it ourselves.
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Is a truck full of medical supplies being held up at gunpoint your definition of "handling it ourselves"?
The US may be the most powerful and most economically driven country, but that doesn't apply to each and every one of its citizens. Not everyone is the head of a massive corporation with millions in the bank. Thousands have lost their homes and everything in them.
As I understand it, flood insurance only covers your actual property (meaning the structure), not your possessions.
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| Re: Hurricane Katrina Aftermath [message #169257 is a reply to message #168787] |
Sat, 03 September 2005 18:58 |
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It sure was nice of George Bush to be on vacation the first four days of this hurricane hit. That's why no aid's coming in - the administration is so out of whack that they haven't been accepting it.
But seriously, no one has done anything about this disaster for 5 days. FINALLY relief is coming, but it's 5 days too late. The whole point of emergency response is people need help within 24 hours or they start dying, not 5 days.
And guess where Bush was when hurricanes hit Florida? Not taking vacation.
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Sat, 03 September 2005 21:45 |
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| Re: Hurricane Katrina Aftermath [message #169291 is a reply to message #169257] |
Sun, 04 September 2005 00:22 |
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| SuperFlyingEngi wrote on Sat, 03 September 2005 21:58 |
It sure was nice of George Bush to be on vacation the first four days of this hurricane hit. That's why no aid's coming in - the administration is so out of whack that they haven't been accepting it.
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| Re: Hurricane Katrina Aftermath [message #169323 is a reply to message #169257] |
Sun, 04 September 2005 05:50 |
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| SuperFlyingEngi wrote on Sat, 03 September 2005 21:58 |
It sure was nice of George Bush to be on vacation the first four days of this hurricane hit. That's why no aid's coming in - the administration is so out of whack that they haven't been accepting it.
But seriously, no one has done anything about this disaster for 5 days. FINALLY relief is coming, but it's 5 days too late. The whole point of emergency response is people need help within 24 hours or they start dying, not 5 days.
And guess where Bush was when hurricanes hit Florida? Not taking vacation.
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| Re: Hurricane Katrina Aftermath [message #169331 is a reply to message #169275] |
Sun, 04 September 2005 07:31 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Sun, 04 September 2005 01:35 |
The hurricane hit Florida, you dimwitted fool. I live in an area where US 90 was washed out completely as usual with any hurricane that hits the area. I also know Pensacola got hit pretty hard with winds and that my area had several power outages. Is that not enough to justify what a hurricane "is" to you, or does my area of Florida have to look like Water World before you accept it?
Have you even been in a hurricane before, you sheltered little idiot?
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Ooh, you got washed out and had power outages!
That's no national emergency, especially compared to the largest Category 5 hurricane ever record hitting New Orleans, of all places. Florida is generally above sea level, and New Orleans isn't. While Florida will probably be back to normal within a week, New Orleans likely won't be habitable for 6 months.
The fact is that New Orleans is water world, and Florida isn't.
And yes, I have been through hurricanes before.
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| Re: Hurricane Katrina Aftermath [message #169353 is a reply to message #169175] |
Sun, 04 September 2005 10:55 |
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| gbull wrote on Sat, 03 September 2005 10:05 |
Cuba? Who would have thought that?
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Venezuela, too.
It's all just a ploy by those countries' dictators to try to get on the United States's good side, though. Except for the doctors and other people actually coming over to help, it's hardly sincere.
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It sure was nice of George Bush to be on vacation the first four days of this hurricane hit. That's why no aid's coming in - the administration is so out of whack that they haven't been accepting it.
But seriously, no one has done anything about this disaster for 5 days. FINALLY relief is coming, but it's 5 days too late. The whole point of emergency response is people need help within 24 hours or they start dying, not 5 days.
And guess where Bush was when hurricanes hit Florida? Not taking vacation.
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| Re: Hurricane Katrina Aftermath [message #169362 is a reply to message #168787] |
Sun, 04 September 2005 11:34 |
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No response? Yeah, I thought so.
It would be a fair bit of work to justify President Bush's actions in this case.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Re: Hurricane Katrina Aftermath [message #169374 is a reply to message #169257] |
Sun, 04 September 2005 12:26 |
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| SuperFlyingEngi wrote on Sat, 03 September 2005 21:58 |
It sure was nice of George Bush to be on vacation the first four days of this hurricane hit. That's why no aid's coming in - the administration is so out of whack that they haven't been accepting it.
But seriously, no one has done anything about this disaster for 5 days. FINALLY relief is coming, but it's 5 days too late. The whole point of emergency response is people need help within 24 hours or they start dying, not 5 days.
And guess where Bush was when hurricanes hit Florida? Not taking vacation.
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Shut up. Just shut up. Why couldn't you write about how people can help, thanking other nations for their support, or maybe about how this disater could have been prevented? Instead, you had to bring your bullshit politics in the field. You, Kennedy, and NPR are not helping the liberal cause, the victims, or anyone else with your empty accusations and blame. Even I have had enough of your crap.
The relief helicopters were shot at. Gang leaders have power over the city for the first time, and they love it. It doesn't matter to them if people are dying or if food and water supply is lacking. They've become warlords, and they want to keep it that way. The leaders of the rescue effort didn't expect this to happen, so actual military force wasn't counted as necessary.
Now pray, give a dollar if you are able, be thankful, stop blaming people, and pray.
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| Re: Hurricane Katrina Aftermath [message #169437 is a reply to message #169374] |
Sun, 04 September 2005 16:59 |
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| MrBob wrote on Sun, 04 September 2005 15:26 |
Shut up. Just shut up. Why couldn't you write about how people can help, thanking other nations for their support, or maybe about how this disater could have been prevented? Instead, you had to bring your bullshit politics in the field. You, Kennedy, and NPR are not helping the liberal cause, the victims, or anyone else with your empty accusations and blame. Even I have had enough of your crap.
The relief helicopters were shot at. Gang leaders have power over the city for the first time, and they love it. It doesn't matter to them if people are dying or if food and water supply is lacking. They've become warlords, and they want to keep it that way. The leaders of the rescue effort didn't expect this to happen, so actual military force wasn't counted as necessary.
Now pray, give a dollar if you are able, be thankful, stop blaming people, and pray.
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1) There's not very much individuals can do to help, unless they happen to own a Skycrane helicopter or something. Sure, you can adopt a family, and I applaud everyone who does it, but there aren't as many people as there need to be with the economic ability to support another family for at least a month.
2) What, you thought I didn't appreciate the help other countries offer? Duh, of course I do. But, "Thank you England" might as well be spam because nothing will come of it.
3) This could have been prevented, or at least reduced in severity, if the government had kept funding the levees, some of which broke. But George Bush in his lying way said, "There's no way this could have been foreseen." I don't know about you, but I find that quite disgusting.
And yes, of course I will be donating to this cause, and more than a dollar, too.
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"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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