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| Re: Cheater makes a video to prove he doesn't cheat-- heh [message #168195 is a reply to message #168066] |
Sun, 28 August 2005 16:11   |
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Fucking hell, you people saying it's just lag--- NO.
I played with 20 fps back in the day or worse. FPS doesn't suddenly allow you to shoot to the side of somebody for a kill! Hits are detected client-side as far as I've ever been aware, hence why bighead works.
The FPS is lower only because of the recording, but the ping and SFPS and KBPS are FINE throughout the entire movie. Who here has ever seen somebody slowly walking along a wall? Or killed them? That's called a lag kill, and you still have to HIT them according to your system for it to count. If you miss them, it still counts as a miss.
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| Re: Cheater makes a video to prove he doesn't cheat-- heh [message #168204 is a reply to message #168201] |
Sun, 28 August 2005 17:39 |
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| Chronojam wrote on Sun, 28 August 2005 19:36 |
Consistently and to that much of an extreme, during lagless conditions where neither sfps, ping, or data transfer are near lag-inducing? Where I come from, we need to hit the player to inflict damage.
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Not necessarily, if you can know where to shoot when your lagging, then you can kill people while lagging and they cant kill you cuz ure skipping all over the place, trust me, ive seen and i can do it.
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| Re: Cheater makes a video to prove he doesn't cheat-- heh [message #168220 is a reply to message #168066] |
Sun, 28 August 2005 18:25 |
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the only problem with, say, lowering the damage for the ramjet is that they won't be able to do anything against a copter. for example, a deadeye won't kill a copter if the copter is somewhat good. Though it wouldn't be that bad of an idea because then it would be copter versus copter - but you'd be screwed if your team doesn't have a decent copter. It takes two reloads to kill a copter with a ramjet, or two ramjets - moving it to three reloads would probably give no chance to the sniper. Although of course it'd be better for me if teh sniper damage was lowered to be honest it doesn't mean much. The only problem is Walls_Flying because you're going to see mostly 3 snipers and it's pretty impossible getting by.
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| Re: Cheater makes a video to prove he doesn't cheat-- heh [message #168282 is a reply to message #168213] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 00:31 |
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| Chronojam wrote on Sun, 28 August 2005 21:01 |
Hmm. How's this.
A sakura is warping about .5m back and forth, to the right of her original start position.
You aim about 2m to the *left* of her start position and shoot at the air, and get a kill.
Wait a second. No, that isn't supposed to happen.
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I agree with you, people walk into walls, regardless you have to hit the player or else it won't count. Renegade isn't like the battlefield games where you have to anticipate where the player is going to be. You have to hit them.
Yeah fraps does make the game lag weirdly but not like that. Really I can't tell if he's cheating for sure, but it sure as hell isn't right. Maybe spoony can clarify what bighead bones is for me :/
Homey
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| Re: Cheater makes a video to prove he doesn't cheat-- heh [message #168298 is a reply to message #168066] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 04:23 |
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I would really like to see these logs myself cause from what i see, that could easily be Big head box cheat being used. There is a large number of shots i can see where the rectile did not even light up yet a perfect headshot is registered on the Stealth black hand especially. As well a few snipes against other sakuras did seem odd, but i do realize while recording with fraps, it may not always display things correctly to the viewer. I Can't see why you would go and ban Chronojam for thinking someone cheated thats pathetic that you don't allow someone to have their own opinion on your forums. If anything id like to see the original video file so i could run some tests lol.
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| Re: Cheater makes a video to prove he doesn't cheat-- heh [message #168317 is a reply to message #168066] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 06:46 |
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Put yourself in his shoes when he was video taping that movie. If he was actually using cheats then he would know that he was. There for he wouldnt put a clip where it looks like hes shooting slightly to the right of the sakkys head in the video.
Am i right? The guys not cheating he just owned a few people...Who the fuck cares...i mean honestly...
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| Re: Cheater makes a video to prove he doesn't cheat-- heh [message #168329 is a reply to message #168066] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 08:41 |
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ok... i think i made lot of problems with my video.
1st: i did this video cause i just had "FRAPS" and that i wanted to use it, and try to make my first "movies"
after that, it's true i use clear scope (that i took at cnc ammo long time ago) , i diidn't consider it as a cheat (like big head or anything of that kind) and i never hided the fact that i was using it (as u can see in the video) (and for some funny reason i thought it was better for the style to put head shot video than video of me being sniped to death... )
2: im not that good, i know it, and i don't care(if i really wanted to prove something i wouldn't have put video with some stand still or zoom head shot)(the easyer to record). i didn't do this video to prove anything so what's the problem, no one like head shot? who am i bad with by making this video? those who complain are not even in it...
3: i don't use anything else than clear scope. no aimbot lol or things like that. nothing can prove it, so whatever it's the same for evryone no? if i had aimbot i would surely say something like " HEY chronojam!! u looking for shit?? u wana snipe me???? 1VS1!!!!!" (but i keep that for sniperde7 ^^)
4 if some time u feel i shoot not in the head, maybe that's cause this movies was recorded with 30 frames/sec (i think) to lower the weight of the files. after that it's true that making the video slow u'r game a little. anyway i do'nt have to give any special explanation i just recorded the game that's all...
5: if clear scope is considered as cheat evry skin should be too (it was in the skin area at cnc ammo) (like poeple who see stealth unit in a blink of an eye). but since i not play on a pure server i don't know where is the problem.
6:i don't know why guys such as chronojam say that kind of thing to me. i don't even know u,... or maybe i sniped u b4?
7: it seem that u all really enjoyed my video(lol) so i arrenged it with music and all... (you'll love it chrono) u can see it here
http://media.putfile.com/SansTitre_000573 it's what i wanted to do at the beggining...
ho, and finnaly i would agree to a dual with u chronojam on a pure server.
i don't have anything to prove, but i never say no to some fun . (to have a big mouth like that, u must be the kind who play well and evryday...)(but i'll have pleasure to record an head shot with u, even if it's only one ^^)
8: if someone don't like the video... cause it's bad... : it's like a bad movie... u don't watch it. renardin thought it would please me to put the video so whatever he was acting as a friend what's bad with that?? even if i didn't like something i wouldn't post on a forum saying "hey hey hey this guys sux, he got aim bot, he got clear scope, he got lag, he got low fps,he got a stealth tank again, he mrl point whore, he's sniping only soldier who are walking straight....he suxxxx"
lol really...who care? who got enough time to be so mean? lol (got the answer)
ok i think that's all... i'll try to reply if ther's need.
one last things: im not (i know it) one of tha best player, far of it... but i'll always be there for team work on this game i like. ...and when ther's team work,ther's tha difference.
peace.
[Dead-6]DarKside... the french guy, u like it or not.
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| Re: Cheater makes a video to prove he doesn't cheat-- heh [message #168336 is a reply to message #168066] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 10:19 |
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First of all, who would make a video to prove that he doesn't cheat and actually cheat on it? I know Darkside, he's a damn good sniper, and he would not record a movie where he cheated.
To whoever mentioned the word "n00bjet": Go eat a banana.
The Ramjet is a bit overpowered against Copters, but that's another story.
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| Re: Cheater makes a video to prove he doesn't cheat-- heh [message #168337 is a reply to message #168066] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 10:36 |
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First off in reguards to him cheating he is running a clear scope so as far as I am concerned the debate stops there and he is cheating.
As for the power of a ramjet, I could go on for paragraphs about how it's not overpowered but I don't have the time or the energy for that.
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| Re: Cheater makes a video to prove he doesn't cheat-- heh [message #168339 is a reply to message #168066] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 10:42 |
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Renardin has taken this topic I've posted here as grounds to ban me from the Reborn forum, without consulting the rest of the team he's part of. Let's give a cheer for Renardin.
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i didn't do this video to prove anything so what's the problem, no one like head shot?
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Somebody is lying to us. I would call making a video in response to being accused of cheating to aquit yourself as 'doing a video to prove something' ...
And YES, people do consider certain kinds of textures CHEATING. See also "stealth skins" and "bright red heads" and "neon enemy snipers" ... Saying people don't frown on this (outright lies!) does not make what you do any better, and it makes it worse since you had to lie about it anyway.
And no, you've never killed me, I've only seen you in a server maybe twice. And I don't do 1v1. 1v1 is gay. Refer to my sarcastic "omg 1v1" post.
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| Re: Cheater makes a video to prove he doesn't cheat-- heh [message #168340 is a reply to message #168066] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 10:56 |
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what does it have anything to do with "hammer head sakura" i killed? if u think clear zoom it's a cheat ok. i'll accept it. but don't say things like i use aimbot or things like that (it makes me feel pretty strong lol) ho and u were tolking about successive head shot... if u look well on the time of the map u can see it's not right after( i don't use only noob jet)... it's what we call make a movie....some moment of the map i puted together....
i wanted to do this video i explained why on the post why. if it could show people i not cheat it was cool with me. but now i get treated of cheater... nah really who are u against with? me or the one u can't smell renardin?
anyway is the problem here really? in u'r question? u lost argument?
i admit some was lucky head shot anyway... the problem is not here ...
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| Re: Cheater makes a video to prove he doesn't cheat-- heh [message #168342 is a reply to message #168066] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 11:02 |
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Have you downloaded the video and watched every kill frame by frame? Download it and watch it frame by frame. Pay special attention to when the ammo count gets decremented. If the reticle is red at the same time, then it's a hit. If it's not, then it's a miss. Obviously, if it's a hit in thin air...
I have yet to do it myself because the movies are in wmv format, which has no *real* player and no *real* editor for free. Fuck you for that, Mr. DarKsidE. Get me an AVI version and I can try it myself.
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| Re: Cheater makes a video to prove he doesn't cheat-- heh [message #168343 is a reply to message #168066] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 11:06 |
[Dead-6]DarKsidE...
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i can give u the video where ever u like...(msn...)
really i don't know what u all talk about guys...if the guy die it's that i hit him lol... what's so odd about it... so the problem is not the reticle it's obviously the fact that u think i cheat with something else.... really nooby...
anyway f*** u too. no reason.
i posted it in avi at the video site. download it or something.
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