| GFX Question. [message #166064] |
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Dave Anderson
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Errm...I have the ATI Radeon 9200 SE as most of you know and there are these two PCI settings that I have no clue what they are. It is called PCI write. And I can turn it on or off. Here is the screenshot:
Will turning this off improve my GFX performance? Or would this be bad for my computer? And if also could someone explain what exactly it is so I can learn a little about it?
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166088 is a reply to message #166064] |
Fri, 12 August 2005 00:00  |
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Dave Anderson
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True, but at the moment it works for me and runs all my games fine. Hopefully I can get a new one sometime soon.
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166142 is a reply to message #166064] |
Fri, 12 August 2005 10:15 |
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I think the help baloon explains it quite well.
If you turn the read function off. No PCI device (altough this sounds quite extreme) can use the computers RAM memory. I don't know how this works, but I would advise not to turn it off.
Size doesn't matter.
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166149 is a reply to message #166064] |
Fri, 12 August 2005 12:23 |
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You think it may run fine, but there is a LOT you're missing out on. I know that for sure because I'm missing out on a LOT with my current video card (Geforce FX 5600). I'm trying to save up for a 6800.
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166152 is a reply to message #166064] |
Fri, 12 August 2005 12:39 |
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my 6600 GT runs everything amazingly, although some of the shaders are gay  It was worth the 250$ (Canadian)
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166153 is a reply to message #166064] |
Fri, 12 August 2005 12:42 |
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I honestly think my GeForce 6800 GT 256Mb isn't that great. I get about 50 fps on medium setting on css with a 2.6GHz Processor and 1gb pci2700 DDR RAM (333MHz)
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166165 is a reply to message #166153] |
Fri, 12 August 2005 13:25 |
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| DJM wrote on Fri, 12 August 2005 14:42 |
I honestly think my GeForce 6800 GT 256Mb isn't that great. I get about 50 fps on medium setting on css with a 2.6GHz Processor and 1gb pci2700 DDR RAM (333MHz)
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Then obviously something is wrong. It's not the video card, I can tell you that for sure.
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166181 is a reply to message #166064] |
Fri, 12 August 2005 15:31 |
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The thing is...I may have to get a whole new motherboard to get anything better than my 9200 SE. Since I only have PCI. I will have to do some searching up to do.
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166185 is a reply to message #166064] |
Fri, 12 August 2005 15:45 |
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To the top question. What it probably does is force PCI devices to access memory by REFERENCE, not by value (which is reading directly from RAM). Reading by reference is GOOD because it saves using more ram unnecessarily. can't remember much more about it, been a while since I read that visual basic book which explained it. By the way, I have the same card as you. have you read the documentation for these drivers which might explain it better?
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166186 is a reply to message #166064] |
Fri, 12 August 2005 15:48 |
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I bought the card from my neighbor so I will have to go back over there and get the manual from him if he still has it.
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166190 is a reply to message #166176] |
Fri, 12 August 2005 16:30 |
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| DJM wrote on Fri, 12 August 2005 18:06 |
Processor? Too Slow?
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I highly doubt it. I have an Athlon XP 2600 2.1GHz CPU, maybe a little faster than your CPU, and I get better results in CS:S than you with my video card.
Could be cooling issues? Can you check the temperature on your video card?
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166197 is a reply to message #166064] |
Fri, 12 August 2005 17:33 |
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Well I Defrag every 6 moths so maybe I better change that habbit.
My comp has two case fans along with two PSU fans and a fan on the processor and the graphics card, it's pretty cool in there.
However my motherboard is over 4 years old. Maybe that's the problem?
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166217 is a reply to message #166197] |
Sat, 13 August 2005 00:47 |
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| Lijitsu wrote on Fri, 12 August 2005 18:35 |
Perhaps Defrag the computer every week, like your supposed to? Or atleast every other week?
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Fragmented files BARELY affect the FPS in games, unless you have a small ass hard drive.
| DJM wrote on Fri, 12 August 2005 19:33 |
However my motherboard is over 4 years old. Maybe that's the problem?
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That could possibly be it, but which motherboard do you have?
Here's another idea; search Google for CoolBits and read how to unlock it. Once you unlock it, go into your nVIDIA display properties and look for "Clock Frequency Settings". Click on it and check manual overclocking. Press OK or whatever when it warns you, and then press the button "Detect Optimal Frequencies". It will take a little while, then when it finishes make sure you check "Apply these settings at startup" (NOTE: This will NOT void your warranty). Now, tell me the MHz of both the core and memory, or just take a screenshot.
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166231 is a reply to message #166153] |
Sat, 13 August 2005 05:40 |
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| DJM wrote on Fri, 12 August 2005 15:42 |
I honestly on a 2.6GHz Processor and 1gb pci2700 DDR RAM (333MHz)
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Here's your problem there ^
first of all, I think you mean a p4 2.66 ghz with DDR333 or your saying 2.6 ghz in AMD rating well, it's actually like 2 ghz.
Your fast video card is to fast for your other component's so it doesn’t get to its max. if you have a Athlon XP or p4D under 3ghz+
It's kinda a waste buying such a good card because the card cant reach its full potential. If you want it to run at its full look more in the way of a AMD 64 3500+ or p4 3.8Ghz
Still a verry good gfx card though.
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166234 is a reply to message #166231] |
Sat, 13 August 2005 06:26 |
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| JPNOD wrote on Sat, 13 August 2005 08:40 |
Here's your problem there ^
first of all, I think you mean a p4 2.66 ghz with DDR333 or your saying 2.6 ghz in AMD rating well, it's actually like 2 ghz.
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Well, if he meant a Pentium, then 2600 Mhz should be enough to get better results. If he meant AMD 2600 Mhz it's DEFINETLY enough, as even a Athlon "2600+" should be enough...I have 2800+ OC'd to 3000+ which runs at 2090 Mhz, 6800 GT GS, 1,5 Gb of RAM and get 65+ FPS in CS:S in 1600*1200 resolution and full details. The difference isn't that big so his system should do better. I think it's either his motherboard, or a problem with software (drivers, system config.)
There's a hole in the sky through which things can fly.
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166289 is a reply to message #166064] |
Sat, 13 August 2005 14:04 |
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If it's a AMD 64... Atlhon XP = like a AMD Sempron it's mid range right now. And does it can NOT give the full potential a GF6800 needs a GT6600 would be a better choice here imo. Also DDR333 the chance is so big he is running a Pentium 4 2.66 with DDR333 quad pumped FSB533 A Atlhon XP does outrun that with like 4 fps in games. But a P4C 800fsb is faster then the XP if he has that it should be ok but like I said the above if he has that its not fast enough to keep pace with the GF6800.
Every 2 month's there like a New GFX and then if you look at cpu's it doesn't go that fast.
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166340 is a reply to message #166064] |
Sat, 13 August 2005 22:38 |
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You're a little lost, JPNOD. For one thing, there is no Athlon that is above 3.0GHz unless you overclock it, and secondly, his CPU can't affect the performance his video card should give so greatly. If you read what I said earlier, I'm getting better performance with a much worse video card and a pretty equivalent processor, which shows that your information is pretty flawed. His CPU cannot affect his video card so dramatically like that unless he had something like a 1GHz Pentium III. It is obviously something else.
DJM, I suggest doing what I asked in my last post so that we can troubleshoot this.
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| Re: GFX Question. [message #166359 is a reply to message #166064] |
Sun, 14 August 2005 04:40 |
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Ok in rating there is. When I mean a 3+ ghz I meant the cpu with a rating +3ghz a p4 3ghz is basically a AMD XP 3200 or 3000 unless were talking about a AMD 64 here it's a different story. it's getting vague for the costumer anyways because now a days there is like 3/4 cores for each cpu with the same 3000+ If I hardly know the difference how would a n00b costumer now?
Put a AMD Sempron/Axp against a AMD 64 with a GF6800 and your fps will be significant lower.
I didn't say his system is configured right or wrong. I just expect he configured it in the right way.
The only way to test this is by putting in a slower GFX card. If the fps is the same it means his other pc components are running behind the graphics card.
Also try a fresh Windows Install + various of drivers..
And may post your other system spec's too. Saying a 4 years old mobo. If it has a slow chip the problem lies there.
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