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New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #164861] Sat, 30 July 2005 19:50 Go to next message
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Senate overwhelmingly approves energy bill.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/29/energy.bill.ap/index. html

I'm not sure whether I should support this new legislature or not. While it has good measures, like boosting ethanol-based gasoline (made from corn), I really see through them to the bad measures. Like giving money to oil companies. How exactly is that going to help us? Yes, they will be able to drill in more places and hence gain more oil, but they will still charge us an arm and a leg, which just means more profit for them. Another thing I don't like is the tax-breaks for those that purchase hybrid-vehicles. I don't have anything against hybrids or people that drive them, but since the current hybrid market involves mostly overseas manufacturers, how is buying hybrids supposed to help the American economy? I live very near Detroit, so cars have always been a part of my life. How are the Big 3 going to handle a boost in hybrids if they have very few to offer themselves?

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Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #164864 is a reply to message #164861] Sat, 30 July 2005 20:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Though, simply to make an arguement, the American automotive inducstry did that to themselves. While the overseas companies were putting time into developing hybrids, the American companies were trying to figure out how to put in a television.

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Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #164871 is a reply to message #164864] Sat, 30 July 2005 22:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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People figure if they help the oil industry enough, they'll just get tired of money. Big Grin
Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #164918 is a reply to message #164861] Sun, 31 July 2005 11:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The big 3 aren't doing so bad in regards to hybrids. Chevy has unveiled a hybrid of the Chevy Silverado. That is a very cool step. Full Size Pickup Truck Hybrid. You won't see that from Honda, possibly because they don't have a Full Size Pickup Truck but, still it's quite a feat.

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Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #164919 is a reply to message #164861] Sun, 31 July 2005 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It would be an even bigger feat if all the people who didn't need SUVs and pickup trucks stopped buying them.

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Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #164942 is a reply to message #164861] Sun, 31 July 2005 16:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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who's determination of "need" are we supposed to be bowing to, environmentalists? Your opinion of need may be completely different from mine.
Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #164962 is a reply to message #164942] Sun, 31 July 2005 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Need is probably based upon what the government thinks should be done in order to "protect" the environment, which means influence galore.

I agree with warranto, the American car industry has been pretty stupid when it comes to developing luxury instead of practical things. Who the hell can afford TVs in cars anyways? Certainly not middle class America.

I have seen a full size truck up-close from Ford that runs on gasoline and natural gas (propane). But this was almost 4 years ago and I still have yet to see any mass marketing attempts to produce it.


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Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #164983 is a reply to message #164962] Mon, 01 August 2005 06:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, If you have a wife and one kid, and never drive into the wilderness etc, don't get a gas-guzzling SUV or truck.

If you work in construction or have a large family, then get a truck/SUV.

There's no "bowing" to environmentalists here... people just need to use common sense when buying a car.
Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #164988 is a reply to message #164861] Mon, 01 August 2005 09:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a 6-disc DVD changer/player in my minivan, and GPS navigation. Who says middle class can't afford it?

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Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #164995 is a reply to message #164942] Mon, 01 August 2005 11:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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msgtpain wrote on Sun, 31 July 2005 19:43

who's determination of "need" are we supposed to be bowing to, environmentalists? Your opinion of need may be completely different from mine.


Well, what's yours?

And, you know, the U.S. throws away money at such incredible speed compared to the rest of the world on gasoline that if we, say doubled fuel efficieny, even this crappy economy we have now would skyrocket.


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Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #164997 is a reply to message #164861] Mon, 01 August 2005 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just because you do not need something does not mean that you ought to be blocked from buying it by the government.

I would not mind a hybrid version of my Jeep- if it weren't for the fact that it is harder to obtain parts for them and they are thus harder to maintain. However, that will become less and less of a problem over time. Maybe by the time the Jeep needs replacing there will be a small hybrid SUV of similar design out that suits my needs.

It is good that auto manufacturers are coming up with new and more varied hybrid designs. That's a big step towards mass market appeal.


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Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #165124 is a reply to message #164988] Tue, 02 August 2005 20:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, you must be upper middle class then Crimson. Rocked Over

I guess they aren't all that expensive anymore, since they are becoming STANDARD on tons of vehicles.


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Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #165137 is a reply to message #164861] Wed, 03 August 2005 02:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There's no way I'm upper middle class. One day, god willing, I will be.

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Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #165190 is a reply to message #164861] Wed, 03 August 2005 09:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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DVD changer I assume comes with a TV somewhere in the vehicle?

Do you watch TV while driving? Shocked Shocked Shocked


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Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #165193 is a reply to message #165190] Wed, 03 August 2005 09:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thats just asking for trouble

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Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #165206 is a reply to message #164861] Wed, 03 August 2005 12:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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it shuts kids up

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Re: New Energy Bill - Relief? [message #165209 is a reply to message #165206] Wed, 03 August 2005 13:00 Go to previous message
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yea, but if the DRIVER Is watching? thats asking for trouble.. lmao

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