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| Re: Stem Cell Research [message #160924 is a reply to message #160874] |
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If they ONLY used embryos that would otherwise be discarded, then I'm OK with that. But it's quite clear that it won't take long before embryos are created for this research... and THAT I'm not cool with.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Stem Cell Research [message #160939 is a reply to message #160874] |
Mon, 20 June 2005 06:06 |
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I support stem cell research, but only as a by-product of my support for killing babies.
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That's irrelevant to this thread.
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| Re: Stem Cell Research [message #160951 is a reply to message #160882] |
Mon, 20 June 2005 08:07 |
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If they ONLY used embryos that would otherwise be discarded, then I'm OK with that. But it's quite clear that it won't take long before embryos are created for this research... and THAT I'm not cool with.
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Wait... why are you against cloning?
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| Re: Stem Cell Research [message #160980 is a reply to message #160874] |
Mon, 20 June 2005 11:51 |
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I think adult stem cells require cloning. You'd think they'd be a better alternative, but cloning is very un-ethical.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Re: Stem Cell Research [message #161088 is a reply to message #160874] |
Mon, 20 June 2005 18:21 |
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it's not the "curing of deseases" that they're worried about, it's the "babies" that everyone sees at the bottom of the slippery slope. The only way to know if they can clone a human is to give it a whirl, if they fuck it up and it lives anyway, what are the implications? Do we let them keep trying, because they can then "see" what they did wrong? How many mutated children do we want sitting in labs hoping they die soon? Then there are the folks who will want to make sure theirkids grow up singers, so they'll splice the genes to give them a famous voice, or perfect abs, etc. There's just too much shit that they could do with the technology that makes people flinch. I don't think anyone would complain if they cured cancer with it.
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| Re: Stem Cell Research [message #162312 is a reply to message #160874] |
Fri, 01 July 2005 23:39 |
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Might I ask why cloning a full person is unethical?
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| Re: Stem Cell Research [message #162317 is a reply to message #162316] |
Sat, 02 July 2005 05:20 |
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| SuperFlyingEngi wrote on Sat, 02 July 2005 07:39 |
Might I ask why cloning a full person is unethical?
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Some people see it as "playing God" rather than unethical. I suppose there could be adverse side affects of cloning on the clone, for example Dolly the Sheep got arthritis early in life.
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would you want to be cloned?
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Yes I would, I'd love and army of me clones, then I'd give them cool white armour and take over the galaxy.
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That's irrelevant to this thread.
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| Re: Stem Cell Research [message #162429 is a reply to message #162420] |
Mon, 04 July 2005 09:20 |
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| Ferhago wrote on Mon, 04 July 2005 09:48 |
Since survival of the fittest does not apply within the human race
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That's not entirely true. Over and underweight babies often die soon after birth, thus keeping baby weight in the middle.
| Ferhago wrote on Mon, 04 July 2005 09:48 |
the poorest examples of our species have survived to breed and clog the gene pool
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And Americans are a prime example of this.
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That's irrelevant to this thread.
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Since survival of the fittest does not apply within the human race the poorest examples of our species have survived to breed and clog the gene pool
