| Re: FireOx | Opera [message #160696 is a reply to message #160506] |
Sat, 18 June 2005 19:38   |
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OK, Opera natively has the current weather and radar images, my Google Adsense earnings, my winamp status and controls, an eyedroppeer for getting color codes from webpages, and a Web Developer toolbar as robust as the one in Firefox? And I assume Opera will also me to set all new windows to new tabs and middle-click links to open in a new tab? Furthermore, are the new tabs opened in the background so I can look at them when I'm good and ready? And Opera also natively lets me right-click in a textarea and do "paste as quote" to automatically put bbcode's [ quote] and [ /quote] markers around something I paste? Oh wait, Opera also lets me right-click any page and automatically open the WHOIS information for the domain I'm visiting in its own tab?
If so, then I'll switch. If not, I'll stay with Firefox.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: FireOx | Opera [message #160726 is a reply to message #160725] |
Sat, 18 June 2005 22:51 |
PiMuRho
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As long as you acknowledge that that's only your opinion, and not anything based on actual fact (as the comparison you linked comes out in favour of Firefox over Opera)
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| Re: FireOx | Opera [message #160736 is a reply to message #160506] |
Sun, 19 June 2005 00:29 |
PiMuRho
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Again, personal preferences.
I'm quite happy to accept that, in your opinion, Opera is a better browser than Firefox.
However, trotting out links that just show one person's comparison of features (and neither of your two links there show anything definitively anyway) doesn't exactly constitute imperical evidence.
The one site you linked that actually used facts and any kind of quantitative comparison came out in favour of Firefox.
Presenting opinion as fact tends not to fly.
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| Re: FireOx | Opera [message #160738 is a reply to message #160506] |
Sun, 19 June 2005 01:31 |
PiMuRho
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It's not a "snobbish attitude" - I'm just not subscribing to your "I prefer A over B, therefore A is better" viewpoint. The one that you always use.
I'm sure I shouldn't need to point this out to you, but at no point have I stated or attempted to state that Firefox is the "better" browser. I've just disputed your claims that Opera is "better" than Firefox. All your claims are entirely and utterly subjective. So, nice attempt at pointing out my "bitching", but it falls at the first hurdle.
As I previously stated, if you prefer Opera over Firefox then I'm very happy for you. However, that doesn't mean it's automatically superior to any alternative.
The links you provided are completely subjective, and don't actually prove anything at all. That, coupled with your apparent need to rename things you dislike in some derogatory fashion (something my 4-year old son currently does, by the way, albeit without resorting to swearing) just takes away any credence that you might have had. Maybe I should call your browser of choice "Crapera"! That way, I can look as intelligent and well-informed as you do!
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| Re: FireOx | Opera [message #160739 is a reply to message #160506] |
Sun, 19 June 2005 01:50 |
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Then don't? I see no reason to subscribe to your "Whine because I think my way is better" viewpoint. Opera is faster, and that is a fact. Most tests done so far, if not all, have shown this to be true.
As for the whole security thing, Firefuck is more vulnerable to exploits than Opera is according to secunia.com.
Mozilla Firefox 1.x with all vendor patches installed and all vendor workarounds applied, is currently affected by one or more Secunia advisories rated Moderately critical
This is based on the most severe Secunia advisory, which is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. Go to Unpatched/Patched list below for details.
Currently, 5 out of 18 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database.
The Secunia database currently contains 0 Secunia advisories marked as "Unpatched", which affects Opera 8.x.
This is based on the most severe Secunia advisory, which is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. Go to Unpatched/Patched list below for details.
Currently, 0 out of 4 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database.
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| Re: FireOx | Opera [message #160740 is a reply to message #160506] |
Sun, 19 June 2005 01:58 |
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You keep on saying that it's faster and that its a fact. But your first article never says it is faster. It actually shows at certain points the opposite.
It might use more memory, but the amount of RAM used does not mean it's slower.
Size doesn't matter.
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| Re: FireOx | Opera [message #160742 is a reply to message #160740] |
Sun, 19 June 2005 02:17 |
PiMuRho
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First of all, it's not a FACT that Opera is faster. I'm sure that if it was, you'd have gone to great lengths to prove it, rather than the link you did provide that showed the opposite.
Perspective. It's a wonderful thing.
Imagine this hypothetical scenario - Firefox takes 0.5 seconds to download and render a page. Opera (the elite uberbrowser!) does the same page in 0.25 seconds. Therefore, it's twice as fast!
and how much does that enhance your life? Is your brain sat there freewheeling, waiting desperately for the page to load so your hungry eyes can devour the content?
If you loaded 1000 pages in the course of a day with those hypothetical speeds (and assuming a hypothetical consistency of speed), then you would have saved a total of 500 seconds. That's a whole 8 and a half minutes over the course of a day! Just imagine what you can achieve in the time you've saved by not using such an inferior browser!
Of course, this does tend to assume that Opera is always faster than Firefox and that Opera is always faster than Firefox by that margin.
As for security, yes, Firefox has more current vulnerabilites than Opera. Bigger targets always get hit more (which is why IE has the most vulnerabilities).
All this is irrelevant, however. There is no arbiter of browser quality. There is no definitive "best browser". Whichever one you prefer is the one that's best for you. If you're unable to back up your assertions, then you shouldn't be making them.
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| Re: FireOx | Opera [message #160781 is a reply to message #160506] |
Sun, 19 June 2005 11:41 |
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Here's a novel concept:
As long as it isn't Internet Exploder, it doesn't matter! Opera, Firefox, etc... all of them are better than IE. Why should anyone give half a cow fuck whether or not someone else is using a faster browser, or one with more features, or whatever the hell else?
My preference is for Firefox. I have had no problems with it since I started using it, and until I do, I see no reason to change browsers again. I don't need most of the features that are available for browsers and I don't care how many milliseconds difference there is in page load time (we aren't talking about crippling differences in speed here). It works, it is more secure than IE, and it takes up very little space on my hard drive. That's really all I need from a browser.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Re: FireOx | Opera [message #160791 is a reply to message #160781] |
Sun, 19 June 2005 12:57 |
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| NukeIt15 wrote on Sun, 19 June 2005 14:41 |
Here's a novel concept:
As long as it isn't Internet Exploder, it doesn't matter! Opera, Firefox, etc... all of them are better than IE. Why should anyone give half a cow fuck whether or not someone else is using a faster browser, or one with more features, or whatever the hell else?
My preference is for Firefox. I have had no problems with it since I started using it, and until I do, I see no reason to change browsers again. I don't need most of the features that are available for browsers and I don't care how many milliseconds difference there is in page load time (we aren't talking about crippling differences in speed here). It works, it is more secure than IE, and it takes up very little space on my hard drive. That's really all I need from a browser.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
Homey
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| Re: FireOx | Opera [message #160795 is a reply to message #160791] |
Sun, 19 June 2005 13:07 |
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| Homey wrote on Sun, 19 June 2005 20:57 |
| NukeIt15 wrote on Sun, 19 June 2005 14:41 |
Here's a novel concept:
As long as it isn't Internet Exploder, it doesn't matter! Opera, Firefox, etc... all of them are better than IE. Why should anyone give half a cow fuck whether or not someone else is using a faster browser, or one with more features, or whatever the hell else?
My preference is for Firefox. I have had no problems with it since I started using it, and until I do, I see no reason to change browsers again. I don't need most of the features that are available for browsers and I don't care how many milliseconds difference there is in page load time (we aren't talking about crippling differences in speed here). It works, it is more secure than IE, and it takes up very little space on my hard drive. That's really all I need from a browser.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Agreed.
It's like my mobile. Everybody I know is going for the fancy new phones with cool ringtones. Who gives a fuck? As long as I can use SMS, have a phone book and ring people I don't care.
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| Re: FireOx | Opera [message #160802 is a reply to message #160506] |
Sun, 19 June 2005 13:32 |
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Dan
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I hate polyphonic ringtones... Nothing like the good old ringtones which you can actually HEAR! I dont know if my ringtone just sucks, but I can hear the vibrating more than I can the actual ringtone. I should find myself a beeping one.
As for browsers, I think that the extenstions in FireFox helps to keep out useless functions which you would probably never use if they were standard. I have 3 extensions on FireFox, one of which I'm not sure what it does, its there anyway, the second makes it so that I dont get a blank browser window when I'm downloading a binary file, and the last adds media player buttons in the status bar so I can change my song without having to switch back to WMP.
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| Re: FireOx | Opera [message #160816 is a reply to message #160506] |
Sun, 19 June 2005 17:06 |
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Firefox is also ad-free. The Open Source community is just damn amazing.
I'm the bawss.
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