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Mon, 13 June 2005 09:06

SickOptometrist
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Help me out dudes -I'm the band's "webmaster" now. I have never worked with HTML so I'm clueless as to what I'm doing, but I'm learning. This site is "in progress" & I recently gave it a facelift.
- What y'all think? - Please critique (gloves off)
http://www.challengetheory.com

http://spaces.msn.com/members/patswebbucket/

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Mon, 13 June 2005 09:14

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Well, as Vitaminous (he's actually good at web design, other than that... meh) and I agreed upon last time, you have too little content space. If you're going to have 3 columns, my suggestion is to widen the width of the site, either that or go to 2 columns and shorten the width of the navigation. The text is too big and it makes that column bigger than it needs to be. I'm on 1280 x 1024 and I can read it just fine, so you can definetely shrink it. Also, if you haven't already noticed, your rollovers don't work like they should. You still have your old rollover images uploaded.

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Mon, 13 June 2005 09:57

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Who made you a webmaster? If you don't know what your doing then why are you looking after their site :/

www . MindTzar . com

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Mon, 13 June 2005 10:21

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Mindtzar wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 12:57

Who made you a webmaster? If you don't know what your doing then why are you looking after their site :/

...because I am the "shizznit" & can figure this stuff out in time.
Yeah j' - I just started this two nights ago & haven't had time to remake all of the button rollovers (all of the photos, images & gifs are my work). My problem is that I'm trying to work with the raw HTML code without the help of HTML editing software. A friend is going to try to hook me up with some software, so I don't have to do so much head scratching. Then I can work with the 'real estate' & resize and move things around. Right now, I'm just re-doing the 'look' of the site - Am I on the right track?

http://spaces.msn.com/members/patswebbucket/

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Mon, 13 June 2005 11:08

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if you want I can hook you with with a version of Dreamweaver "free" *cough* of charge.

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Mon, 13 June 2005 11:42

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pfft, i'm starting to learn to code, so i'm using araneae, which is a free program. It isn't, however, a program like frontpage or dreamweaver.

whoa.

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Mon, 13 June 2005 12:10

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You want dreamweaver? Come to your uncle Dave.

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Mon, 13 June 2005 12:49

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My perspective is this... clarity. I see all kinds of stuff but the focal point is lost somewhat. The monochromatic palette hurts a bit but I feel that it might be the band's colors? Anyway... it lacks a cohesive flow. Clean and clear menus are a major place to start. Easy navigation is the heart of a truly good design for a site. You can still pull off lots of flashy stuff but the base must be clear.

Now that I've thrown out ambiguous points go from there! Big Grin

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Mon, 13 June 2005 15:03

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phlakaton wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 20:49

My perspective is this... clarity. I see all kinds of stuff but the focal point is lost somewhat. The monochromatic palette hurts a bit but I feel that it might be the band's colors? Anyway... it lacks a cohesive flow. Clean and clear menus are a major place to start. Easy navigation is the heart of a truly good design for a site. You can still pull off lots of flashy stuff but the base must be clear.

Now that I've thrown out ambiguous points go from there! Big Grin

Big Grin

I like this guy. Satisfied

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Mon, 13 June 2005 15:11

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Yea, thats what I was trying to say about the graphics. The banner seemed to give the message "look at my awesome design", not so much "Hey, this is challenge theory, you like?" but no no I like the banner now sicko.

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Mon, 13 June 2005 15:22

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Just got to say, I really don't like the animation of the sound waves.

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Mon, 13 June 2005 19:08

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Me either, and the buttons need work because the image quality is somewaht blurry www.good-tutorials.com can show you how to do some good web-quality work. I see you went with a more pure HTML than a template with a Sliced Template. Which probably works pretty well for a starter website. Perhaps in the future you can get the hang of using photoshop to create sliced templates for your design. Nice work for going in blind though.

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Tue, 14 June 2005 07:48

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gbull wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 22:08

Me either, and the buttons need work because the image quality is somewaht blurry www.good-tutorials.com can show you how to do some good web-quality work. I see you went with a more pure HTML than a template with a Sliced Template. Which probably works pretty well for a starter website. Perhaps in the future you can get the hang of using photoshop to create sliced templates for your design. Nice work for going in blind though.

OK thanks guys - it's appreciated. I got a copy of DreamWeaver last night & I know it will make it much easier but you know....
I want it to look like this - http://www.redbullxfighters.com/
Big Grin

Big Grin

Flash hard to work with?

http://spaces.msn.com/members/patswebbucket/

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Tue, 14 June 2005 08:31

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You got the full copy?

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Tue, 14 June 2005 19:51

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Flash isn't hard to get the basics, but its hard to master.

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Tue, 14 June 2005 21:03

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SickO wrote:

OK thanks guys - it's appreciated. I got a copy of DreamWeaver last night & I know it will make it much easier but you know....
I want it to look like this - http://www.redbullxfighters.com/
Flash hard to work with?

In the navigation menu if you notice the motocross...ahhh, makes me feel at home. The only sport I do, motocross. Motocross is a sport that is one of a kind. I love it. *Although I don't like the part when I brake my bones which I have done mayn times.*

David Anderson
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DCOM Productions
Microsoft Partner (MSP)

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Tue, 14 June 2005 21:29

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SickOptometrist wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 10:48

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Flash hard to work with?

What that site has done in Flash is simple.. what this site has done is hard: http://www.2advanced.com/flashindex.htm

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Tue, 14 June 2005 22:16

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whoever did that site is a fucking genius.

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Tue, 14 June 2005 22:22

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The whole team probably did that.

whoa.

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Tue, 14 June 2005 23:26

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Err,it's a band,put music in backround of course!!!

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Wed, 15 June 2005 00:30

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zgunner12 wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 02:26

Err,it's a band,put music in backround of course!!!

Nah, i don't like music ion background of websites. It just never sounds right and it suddenly restart if u go to a new section or it ends too promptly or it takes ages to lad... Nah, no music in background.

And yes: Flash is freaking difficult to get really good at. The basics are quite ok but you'll need hell loads of time and tutorials to make something really nice!

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Wed, 15 June 2005 00:35

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Ok maybe you can put there music videos in WMP form

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Wed, 15 June 2005 12:08

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msgtpain wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 00:29

SickOptometrist wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 10:48

Big Grin

Flash hard to work with?

What that site has done in Flash is simple.. what this site has done is hard: http://www.2advanced.com/flashindex.htm

Yes that is way cool- I wanna do that! In Love

In Love

Since we are on the subject of flash sites, this one is cool as well - http://www.cafcat.com/
I got FlashMX demo last pm & spent a couple of hours tryin' to figure it out... Huh

Huh

...with time I'll get it.

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Wed, 15 June 2005 14:05

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First you do the tutorials in the help files. They will start you off. if you don't have them I might be able to mail them.

Then you go here. For basic websites.

http://www.apdz.com/v5/tuts/viewtut.php?tut=20

Then here. Make sure you sort by easy first. There are lots of starter text effects for you.

http://webdesign.templatemonster.com/web/flash/tutorials/

You learn action script here.

http://www.actionscripts.org/tutorials.shtml

Everything else you will need is here.

http://www.metamorphozis.com/tutorials/table_of_content.php

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Wed, 15 June 2005 15:54

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Hey Walrus - thanks! I did the first tutorial & it helped a bunch. Big Ups

Big Ups

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