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| My opinion about Renguard. [message #153870] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 15:21  |
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Dave Anderson
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Everyone has the right to criticize me about my own personal opinion, but that would show you don't beleive in opinions and don't care what otheres have to say. This is not supposed to come accross negative in any way. I don't care if Crimson or Blazer or any moderator bans me for this but oh well.
Renguard, my game runs better without it. I personally think it is just a cheesy way of adding new fancy commands to use and nothing else. It stops cheaters! they say. But it don't seem like it. The only thing I see is the people wiuth Renguard banning people without it because they are whiners.
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I don't have Renguard. I do not cheat. I join a server. My first kill is a headshot with Deadeye as soon as I start. The person I killed goes, !rg deadfive. I kill him again with a headshot, he goes !forcerg deadfive. Then everyone starts !forcerg deadfive.
End example.
This happens on every server I play on to almost everyone I know without Renguard. What I say is, WHINERs. People think just that someone does good in a game non-stop and dont have renguard are cheaters. They can't take the fact that some people are just better than them. Now that renguard is around there are more bans and kicks from servers than ever. I know, I have played this since it came out on the very first day.
Renguard has caused nothig but problems for me and numerous people. My game runs better without, and people are just whiners, but remember, this is just my opinion.
Go ahead and flame, criticize, ban me, I don't care this is just my opinion. And this is not supposed to come accross negative in any way.
David Anderson
Founder, Software Consultant
DCOM Productions
Microsoft Partner (MSP)
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| My opinion about Renguard. [message #153876] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 15:48  |
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Walrus
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Location: Good old England
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Well. At least you are honest.
One Last Time
"England expects that every man will do his duty"
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| My opinion about Renguard. [message #153886] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 16:35 |
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Dave Anderson
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Lol, you crack me up.
System specs since a month ago:
Intel pentium 4 2.8GHz at 800FSB
2GB Dual channel ram
128 MB ATI Radeon 9200SE
500GB RAID Hard drive
Comcast internet at 4MB
those are just the important items...
David Anderson
Founder, Software Consultant
DCOM Productions
Microsoft Partner (MSP)
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| My opinion about Renguard. [message #153887] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 16:39 |
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Sniper_De7
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I thought Brenbot was with the commands and renguard was just the anti-cheat.
But seriously... Would you like to show some kind of proof that it *really* performs better without renguard? and even if it might, playing without MSN running in the backround or other programs is just reason enough to make your game go just as slow. If you played renegade 1.5 years ago, when Renguard wasn't out, then you wouldn't say "but it doesnt' seem to stop them". If you had a choice of whether or not renguard stayed it would be the same choice as would you go back 1.5 years to where it was hard to find a server WITHOUT a cheat, rather now it is hard to find a server WITH a cheat. The only person really whining is you. If you really don't like renguard no one really made you download it. If you are forceRged then play with Renguard. If your computer isn't capable of running Renegade then you should get a new computer or play tetris. My bets are you probably don't compete with what i once had, and what others have had. where i couldn't play past 18 player servers because i'd have an FPS lower than 10 on average.
"Everyone has the right to criticize me about my own personal opinion, but that would show you don't beleive in opinions and don't care what otheres have to say."
On the contrary, opinions are meant to be challenged
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| My opinion about Renguard. [message #153888] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 16:45 |
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Dave Anderson
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lol, my game fps runs at 100. And like I said this is just an opinion. I felt like saying it. I am not crying.
David Anderson
Founder, Software Consultant
DCOM Productions
Microsoft Partner (MSP)
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| My opinion about Renguard. [message #153889] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 16:53 |
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Sniper_De7
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You are precisely crying. To sum up your entire post, all I have to say is, "waah... waah wah wah.. wah wah wah.....and wah"
If you get an average of 100 FPS and you're complaining about being force rg'ed because you aren't running renguard (which I can only assume wouldn't be even close to bring down the fps to 10, which I had) Then you are a big cry baby whose only purpose is to cry. The only point you make in your "argument", and i use the term loosely of course - because I couldn't even call anything you say supportive to what you said, is that when a person forceRGs people follow. When I see this in game, i usually think, "what's the deal with them not running renguard when it does nothing to harm"
Here are your choices, baby.
Your first choice is to suck it up like a big kid now and either 1.) Get Renguard and deal with 90+ FPS (Oh no!), or you can NOT get renguard, and have the average 100 FPS you get and you can live your life in happiness, free from people who wish to play a game without cheaters in their server, thus making both sides happy.
I would recommend the second choice.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| My opinion about Renguard. [message #153890] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 16:59 |
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Dave Anderson
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This is not an arguement. Never was never will be. I am not going to start, an arguement either. I am not crying. I am "stating" a topic that has been on my mind. It is an "opinion", nothing else. I am supporting all the other people who don't like Renguard, and I also support BHS for doing a good deed that so many poeple like. BHS deserves alot of credit for this as they are kicking EA's ass. No arguement, no crying. Just that you are a person who can't accept an opinion and just leave it at that. Obviously, if anyone said that they don't like Renguard, you would be all over their case about it. You may like Renguard, that all right with me, but I am not not like and bash your opinions. Case closed.
David Anderson
Founder, Software Consultant
DCOM Productions
Microsoft Partner (MSP)
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| My opinion about Renguard. [message #153892] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 17:15 |
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Sniper_De7
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let me put it in a way that might be more recognizable for you, OK? It seems your level of thinking is a little shallow.
back in the "olden days" people used to think the Sun revolved around the Earth. Now this was just an opinion at the time as the only real basis they had of this was the fact that the Sun looked like it was revolving around Earth. It wasn't until later that they found out it was actually the Earth taht revolved around the sun. But if no one challenged that the Sun revolved around the Earth then where would we be? An opinion is not meant to be just "stated" It has to be questioned and if you want to state an opinion you had better well back up why you think that way. In your post you say "it runs slower" when, EVEN if it does, it does it at a fractional cost. Therefore that "argument" (and when i say argument i mean supportive information) has been proven WRONG. You say it doesn't stop cheats when if you look at 1.5 years when RG wasn't here and now, you see an obvious difference of amount of cheaters (another "argument" proven false) Beyond that renguard is not at fault for people forcerging you if someone else did it first. In my opinion you should be thankful for the very fact that they HAVE half-renguarded servers, otherwise would you rather a full renguard, so that you can't join (because you'd eat up your entire computer's memory if you used renguard at all!) So what I have just done now is shown that your opinion is WRONG (so if you choose to be an ignorant moron and continue your opinion despite me showing you that it's wrong) Then by all means you may do so. So you can be a primitive and keep thinking the sun revolves around the Earth.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| My opinion about Renguard. [message #153899] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 17:28 |
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Sniper_De7
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Renguard has nothing to do with how moderators justify cheaters. In my eyes a moderator would have to be sure a person is cheating before he is banning them (tests, etc) It is also not Renguard's fault in any way that server admins choose half-mode. Yes people get banned when not using renguard and not cheating. and though it may not be moral to make a person use renguard, it is, again, the admin's CHOICE. You'd be better off ranting to server admins to take Renguard completely off or put it completely on. and when the cheaters join en masse, you can guess what they'll choose
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| My opinion about Renguard. [message #153903] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 17:39 |
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Sniper_De7
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Did you even play this game with RG installed? Being a RG user has everything to do with whether or not you're banned for cheating. Otherwise why put it into half-mode on a server so that you could tell who was using it, and who was not?
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When i say "renguard" i meant everyone who made it. They have nothing to do with if you're getting forcerg'ed wrongly.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| My opinion about Renguard. [message #153918] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 18:55 |
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Dave Anderson
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Where did I get the money for the upgrades for my pc? Well I worked my ass off. I did yard jobs for tons of people and my uncle paid me 200 to fix his pc. His pc motherboard had problems directly on the circuit board. Not sure if I stated that correct but anyway, I had to spend about 4 hours saudering all the broken spots back together. I don't know what he did to his pc but the circuit board was totally jacked. He gave me 200 because he is very generous.
Now, back on topic please.
David Anderson
Founder, Software Consultant
DCOM Productions
Microsoft Partner (MSP)
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| My opinion about Renguard. [message #153922] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 19:28 |
blinky_182
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Its not renguards fault, it is usually an excuse the n00bs use when they get killed. I don't have a fast comp, I run the game on low detail and I still use Rengaurd. When I '!forcerg' people I make sure that they are in fact cheating (eg. always being shot in the head numerous times while ducking behind or being blocked by an object and KNOWING where he is). Mostly if you are accused of cheating and they check that you have renguard, it usally stops there. I realise it can be frusterating when you are kicked just for being good, but there are gonna be people who won't believe you aren't cheating until you have rengaurd, it sucks. Reneguard has brought more good then bad, you would be better off using it.
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and you know what? When people !rg me and find out I'm running RG, they leave it at that. The only people who continue to rant are n00bs who have no idea what they're talking about and should be ignored. I fail to see how RG can cause such a change in your gameplay that you can't run it at all.
