Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138326] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 17:06 |
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DarkDemin
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/02/09/colorado.prof.ap/index.html
This guy is a fucking moron. I hope someone kills him.
CNN.com | BOULDER, Colorado (AP) -- A University of Colorado professor who likened September 11 victims to Nazis got a standing ovation when he told a campus audience of more than 1,000 people that "I'm not backing up an inch."
Ward Churchill, who had filed a lawsuit after the state university threatened to cancel his address, was interrupted several times by thunderous applause.
Churchill has resigned as chairman of the university's ethnic studies department. Gov. Bill Owens has called for Churchill to be fired, and the university's Board of Regents is investigating whether the tenured professor can be removed.
"I don't answer to Bill Owens. I do not answer to the Board of Regents in the way they think I do. The regents should do their job and let me do mine," Churchill said to thunderous clapping. "I'm not backing up an inch. I owe no one an apology."
In an essay, Churchill wrote that workers in the World Trade Center were the equivalent of "little Eichmanns," a reference to Adolf Eichmann, who ensured the smooth running of the Nazi system. Churchill also spoke of the "gallant sacrifices" of the "combat teams" that struck America.
The ethnic studies professor said Tuesday his essay was referring to "technocrats" who participate in what he calls repressive American policies around the world.
A longtime American Indian Movement activist, he said he is also culpable because his efforts to change the system haven't succeeded. "I could do more. I'm complicit. I'm not innocent," he said.
The Boulder Faculty Assembly, which represents professors at the Boulder campus, has said Churchill's comments were "controversial, offensive and odious" but supports his right to say them based on the principle of academic freedom.
During his 35-minute speech, Churchill said the essay was not referring to children, firefighters, janitors or people passing by the World Trade Center who were killed during the attacks.
The essay and follow-up book attracted little attention until Churchill was invited to speak last month at Hamilton College in Clinton, New York, which later canceled his talk out of security concerns.
University of Colorado officials cited those same concerns but backed off after Churchill filed a lawsuit earlier Tuesday asking a judge to force the school to let him speak.
The crowd Tuesday night was loud and orderly as Churchill spoke: "I do not work for the taxpayers of the state of Colorado. I do not work for Bill Owens. I work for you," he said.
About two dozen police officers were scattered inside and around the ballroom where the speech was given. Most of those attending supported Churchill.
"I've read some of Ward's work," said 26-year-old Vinita Laroia, an environmental studies major. "I think what he has to say is true and interesting. I wanted to hear his actual voice say what he's thinking."
The ACLU issued a statement defending Churchill's right to speak out and called on regents, legislators and the governor "to stop threatening Mr. Churchill's job because of the content of his opinions."
David Horowitz, a champion of conservative causes who has long accused American universities of overstocking their faculties with leftists, has said firing Churchill would violate his First Amendment rights and set a bad precedent.
He called instead for an inquiry into the university's hiring and promotion procedures to see how Churchill managed to rise to the chairmanship of the school's ethnic studies department.
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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138366] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 19:33 |
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IRON FART
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He compared those workers to Adolf Eichmann, who made sure the Nazi regime ran smoothly. Thats all. He didn't say they were all monstrous Himmlers. Eichmann made the Nazi regime run smoothly, and those unfortunate workers in the Twin Towers practically supported out whole economy!
He's certainly NOT blatantly calling them Nazis like the topic implies. From what I gather from the article, this essay is not about the 9/11 victims and it is more an attack on the government. I don't think the article by any means shows us the whole story.
I think Gbull is right, and he is trying to establish a name for himself, but he's using the Nazi comparison to stir up a bit of controversy and attention.
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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138376] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 20:13 |
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IRON FART
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Well, I didn't read the article.
He is trying to stir up some bullshit though.
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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138379] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 20:20 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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I take it none of you have actually read what he wrote or saw him on C-SPAN defending himself...
Get a clue, then come back.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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Re: Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138380] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 20:25 |
Spoony_old
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DarkDemin | In an essay, Churchill wrote that workers in the World Trade Center were the equivalent of "little Eichmanns," a reference to Adolf Eichmann, who ensured the smooth running of the Nazi system. Churchill also spoke of the "gallant sacrifices" of the "combat teams" that struck America.
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You compared me to this.... person?
OK, in my eyes you're now a fucking idiot.
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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138381] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 20:27 |
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warranto
Messages: 2584 Registered: February 2003 Location: Alberta, Canada
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IRON-FART | He compared those workers to Adolf Eichmann, who made sure the Nazi regime ran smoothly. Thats all. He didn't say they were all monstrous Himmlers. Eichmann made the Nazi regime run smoothly, and those unfortunate workers in the Twin Towers practically supported out whole economy!
He's certainly NOT blatantly calling them Nazis like the topic implies. From what I gather from the article, this essay is not about the 9/11 victims and it is more an attack on the government. I don't think the article by any means shows us the whole story.
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Actually, no.. and yes.
No, he's not simply comparing them to someone who ran opperations smoothly. Yes, he IS comparing them to Nazis.
Read this interview, it may offer some insight.
http://www.satyamag.com/apr04/churchill.html
Basically, he does have a good point. However, he goes about it in perhaps the worst possible way.
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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138388] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 21:16 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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I take it you didn't, either...
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138392] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 21:28 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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I wholeheartedly apologize for not categorically agreeing with your heavy-handed conservative ideology.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138398] |
Mon, 14 February 2005 21:52 |
knight1b
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Hum that picture of him .............He looks like a gun carrying lunatic ........... And he calls people who where doing an honest job to make a liveing nazis............. You know I would love to smack this guy down in a debate.
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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138418] |
Tue, 15 February 2005 00:36 |
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Jecht
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Jesus Christ that guy is a moron, he compares the US to the third reich yet states that there is no other moment in history of which to describe the actions taking place in the US. And albeit I did at first think much lower of him then when I read the article, I still think he is a propaganda machine, looking not just to strengthen his political point of view, but also his own name. By spewing this controversy he stabalizes himself as a "Political Slim Shady", making his fame by nothing but saying whatever he thinks will offend the Right the most. There are much better ways he could have compared them then to go to the extreme of what he knew would cause a stir up and dub them "Nazis". He is either extremely bright, or stupid as this little tyraid of his may cost him his living. Although personally I would love nothing more than to see this tool fry, he is untouchable because EVERYONE is entitled to free speech, and I myself believe in that law to its exact words, so no charges should be filed. Sorry, I havent been following this topic a whole lot before reading that article, so I dont know if they are attempting to file charges.
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Re: Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138435] |
Tue, 15 February 2005 05:50 |
Spoony_old
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You compared me to this.... person?
OK, in my eyes you're now a fucking idiot.
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Just like the fucktard normal liberal to try and defend actions such as these.
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Who's this referring to? I can't really tell so I'll assume it's me, in which case I should probably tell you I'm not a "liberal".
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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138439] |
Tue, 15 February 2005 06:28 |
Chronojam
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I think Gbull is right, and he is trying to establish a name for himself, but he's using the Nazi comparison to stir up a bit of controversy and attention.
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He's like a forum n00b/asshole trying to get attention, and now that he found a way to get it he's going to keep doing it and act all heroic by not moving an inch and other such dramatic bullshit. He needs to be banned from life, fucking troll that he is.
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