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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138326] Mon, 14 February 2005 17:06 Go to next message
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This guy is a fucking moron. I hope someone kills him.

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BOULDER, Colorado (AP) -- A University of Colorado professor who likened September 11 victims to Nazis got a standing ovation when he told a campus audience of more than 1,000 people that "I'm not backing up an inch."

Ward Churchill, who had filed a lawsuit after the state university threatened to cancel his address, was interrupted several times by thunderous applause.

Churchill has resigned as chairman of the university's ethnic studies department. Gov. Bill Owens has called for Churchill to be fired, and the university's Board of Regents is investigating whether the tenured professor can be removed.

"I don't answer to Bill Owens. I do not answer to the Board of Regents in the way they think I do. The regents should do their job and let me do mine," Churchill said to thunderous clapping. "I'm not backing up an inch. I owe no one an apology."

In an essay, Churchill wrote that workers in the World Trade Center were the equivalent of "little Eichmanns," a reference to Adolf Eichmann, who ensured the smooth running of the Nazi system. Churchill also spoke of the "gallant sacrifices" of the "combat teams" that struck America.

The ethnic studies professor said Tuesday his essay was referring to "technocrats" who participate in what he calls repressive American policies around the world.

A longtime American Indian Movement activist, he said he is also culpable because his efforts to change the system haven't succeeded. "I could do more. I'm complicit. I'm not innocent," he said.

The Boulder Faculty Assembly, which represents professors at the Boulder campus, has said Churchill's comments were "controversial, offensive and odious" but supports his right to say them based on the principle of academic freedom.

During his 35-minute speech, Churchill said the essay was not referring to children, firefighters, janitors or people passing by the World Trade Center who were killed during the attacks.

The essay and follow-up book attracted little attention until Churchill was invited to speak last month at Hamilton College in Clinton, New York, which later canceled his talk out of security concerns.

University of Colorado officials cited those same concerns but backed off after Churchill filed a lawsuit earlier Tuesday asking a judge to force the school to let him speak.

The crowd Tuesday night was loud and orderly as Churchill spoke: "I do not work for the taxpayers of the state of Colorado. I do not work for Bill Owens. I work for you," he said.

About two dozen police officers were scattered inside and around the ballroom where the speech was given. Most of those attending supported Churchill.

"I've read some of Ward's work," said 26-year-old Vinita Laroia, an environmental studies major. "I think what he has to say is true and interesting. I wanted to hear his actual voice say what he's thinking."

The ACLU issued a statement defending Churchill's right to speak out and called on regents, legislators and the governor "to stop threatening Mr. Churchill's job because of the content of his opinions."

David Horowitz, a champion of conservative causes who has long accused American universities of overstocking their faculties with leftists, has said firing Churchill would violate his First Amendment rights and set a bad precedent.

He called instead for an inquiry into the university's hiring and promotion procedures to see how Churchill managed to rise to the chairmanship of the school's ethnic studies department.


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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138327] Mon, 14 February 2005 17:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hmm.. I fail to see how someone doing a days work compares, even in the slightest, to ensuring the complete obliteration of a race....
Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138332] Mon, 14 February 2005 17:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He's the scum of scum, he's the type of human being I sincerly hope and know will burn in hell and go through the worst pain possible. I can't even discribe the hatred I had after first hearing that bullshit.

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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138333] Mon, 14 February 2005 17:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This guy is a prime example of the idiots on the right side of the political spectrum. Also, this idiot needs to be shot... multiple times, kept alive, and laughed at. I know, it's evil, but he's deserving of it.

whoa.
Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138346] Mon, 14 February 2005 18:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well now, he MAY have a valid reason for saying this (I hope the sarcasm is apperant...). We just have yet to hear it.

One way that it would be valid was if everyone in those buidings had secret torture or gas chambers, targeting only a specific race. Who knows, perhaps the 9/11 attack was actually a mission to free those prisioners, and went horribly wrong.

(I really hope the sarcasm is apperant....)
Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138353] Mon, 14 February 2005 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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DUDE, HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT? OMG YOU ARE AN IDIOT LIKE HE IS. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU THAT STUPID? YOU CAN ROT IN HELL LIKE HIM!!!! Razz

(If THAT sarcasm isn't apparent then we seriously have a problem.)


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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138356] Mon, 14 February 2005 18:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He is one of those people that are just trying to make a name for themselves, like that athiest who is against the pledge of Allegence.

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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138366] Mon, 14 February 2005 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He compared those workers to Adolf Eichmann, who made sure the Nazi regime ran smoothly. Thats all. He didn't say they were all monstrous Himmlers. Eichmann made the Nazi regime run smoothly, and those unfortunate workers in the Twin Towers practically supported out whole economy!

He's certainly NOT blatantly calling them Nazis like the topic implies. From what I gather from the article, this essay is not about the 9/11 victims and it is more an attack on the government. I don't think the article by any means shows us the whole story.

I think Gbull is right, and he is trying to establish a name for himself, but he's using the Nazi comparison to stir up a bit of controversy and attention.


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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138367] Mon, 14 February 2005 19:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry Iron but you are wrong. The title of his essay is : "On the Justice of Roosting Chickens : Reflections on the Consequences of U.S. Imperial Arrogance and Criminality"

If he really met to compare them to a smooth running machine he didn't have to compare them to Nazis. He clearly states in his essay that what the people were doing in the buildings were costing lives. He is mean spirited and hateful in the entire essay. The people in these buildings were not just from America as many liberal exteremists would like you to think. The terrorists killed a grouping of all different races, religions, and nationalities. This man is very wrong in his statements and should be arrested for treason.


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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138368] Mon, 14 February 2005 19:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I might want to read more carefully next time. Surprised


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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138369] Mon, 14 February 2005 19:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He isn't conservitive tard.

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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138376] Mon, 14 February 2005 20:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I didn't read the article.
He is trying to stir up some bullshit though.


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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138379] Mon, 14 February 2005 20:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I take it none of you have actually read what he wrote or saw him on C-SPAN defending himself...

Get a clue, then come back.


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"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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Re: Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138380] Mon, 14 February 2005 20:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In an essay, Churchill wrote that workers in the World Trade Center were the equivalent of "little Eichmanns," a reference to Adolf Eichmann, who ensured the smooth running of the Nazi system. Churchill also spoke of the "gallant sacrifices" of the "combat teams" that struck America.

You compared me to this.... person?

OK, in my eyes you're now a fucking idiot.


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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138381] Mon, 14 February 2005 20:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He compared those workers to Adolf Eichmann, who made sure the Nazi regime ran smoothly. Thats all. He didn't say they were all monstrous Himmlers. Eichmann made the Nazi regime run smoothly, and those unfortunate workers in the Twin Towers practically supported out whole economy!

He's certainly NOT blatantly calling them Nazis like the topic implies. From what I gather from the article, this essay is not about the 9/11 victims and it is more an attack on the government. I don't think the article by any means shows us the whole story.


Actually, no.. and yes.

No, he's not simply comparing them to someone who ran opperations smoothly. Yes, he IS comparing them to Nazis.

Read this interview, it may offer some insight.

http://www.satyamag.com/apr04/churchill.html

Basically, he does have a good point. However, he goes about it in perhaps the worst possible way.
Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138386] Mon, 14 February 2005 20:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Get a clue, then come back.

Try taking your own advice, SuperFlyingLiberalTool.


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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138388] Mon, 14 February 2005 21:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I take it you didn't, either...

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138391] Mon, 14 February 2005 21:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wasn't referring to just this topic; I'm talking about everything political you have ever posted.

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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138392] Mon, 14 February 2005 21:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wholeheartedly apologize for not categorically agreeing with your heavy-handed conservative ideology.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138394] Mon, 14 February 2005 21:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I never asked you to agree with me on everything; you just can't seem to think for yourself at all, and it is evident in every single politically-related post you make.

Now, to steer this topic back on-course, would you mind posting something in defense of this guy, perhaps a copy of the defense he gave for himself on C-SPAN?


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Colorado Professor calls 9/11 Victims Nazis [message #138398] Mon, 14 February 2005 21:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hum that picture of him .............He looks like a gun carrying lunatic ........... And he calls people who where doing an honest job to make a liveing nazis............. You know I would love to smack this guy down in a debate.
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Jesus Christ that guy is a moron, he compares the US to the third reich yet states that there is no other moment in history of which to describe the actions taking place in the US. And albeit I did at first think much lower of him then when I read the article, I still think he is a propaganda machine, looking not just to strengthen his political point of view, but also his own name. By spewing this controversy he stabalizes himself as a "Political Slim Shady", making his fame by nothing but saying whatever he thinks will offend the Right the most. There are much better ways he could have compared them then to go to the extreme of what he knew would cause a stir up and dub them "Nazis". He is either extremely bright, or stupid as this little tyraid of his may cost him his living. Although personally I would love nothing more than to see this tool fry, he is untouchable because EVERYONE is entitled to free speech, and I myself believe in that law to its exact words, so no charges should be filed. Sorry, I havent been following this topic a whole lot before reading that article, so I dont know if they are attempting to file charges.

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In an essay, Churchill wrote that workers in the World Trade Center were the equivalent of "little Eichmanns," a reference to Adolf Eichmann, who ensured the smooth running of the Nazi system. Churchill also spoke of the "gallant sacrifices" of the "combat teams" that struck America.

You compared me to this.... person?

OK, in my eyes you're now a fucking idiot.


Just like the fucktard normal liberal to try and defend actions such as these.


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You compared me to this.... person?

OK, in my eyes you're now a fucking idiot.


Just like the fucktard normal liberal to try and defend actions such as these.

Who's this referring to? I can't really tell so I'll assume it's me, in which case I should probably tell you I'm not a "liberal".


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I think Gbull is right, and he is trying to establish a name for himself, but he's using the Nazi comparison to stir up a bit of controversy and attention.


He's like a forum n00b/asshole trying to get attention, and now that he found a way to get it he's going to keep doing it and act all heroic by not moving an inch and other such dramatic bullshit. He needs to be banned from life, fucking troll that he is.
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