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| Saddam = ownt. [message #12999] |
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[sg]the0ne
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Saddam = MotherFuckingOwned.
Nothing like watching US hardware & some Iraqi's take down that statute and proceed to ride his face down the street.
Hey UN, go fuck yourself and your make believe power.
No resources = no power.
No country = no power.
No military = no power.
A bunch of fucks who cant back up their word with someone elses troops = no power.
0wnt.
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| Saddam = ownt. [message #13032] |
Thu, 10 April 2003 04:13  |
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K9Trooper
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| Commando no. 448 |
I hope you don't mind me bringing the unheard veiwpoint to this topic.
We can complain when cemetaries are vandalized, when protests turing ugly, when people burn flags, but cheer when people bring down statues of a(n) (ex)head of state.
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Problem being is the statue was of a current head of state. IMO any country that erects a statue of a current leader is screwed up. The only reason the statue was up, was to intimidate the people. Make them feel they are always being watched. That is a fact in psychology. Thus the reason many dictators do it. The Iraqis were the ones that wanted it down. We just helped.
Saddam is still the head of Iraq until there is a formal surrender, it is proven he left the country or proven he is dead. He is too dangerous to think that just because he isn't visible, he doesn't have any influence on people.
R.I.P. TreyD. You will be missed, but not forgotten.
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| Saddam = ownt. [message #13061] |
Thu, 10 April 2003 06:54 |
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Blazer
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| Commando no. 448 |
We can complain when cemetaries are vandalized, when protests turing ugly, when people burn flags, but cheer when people bring down statues of a(n) (ex)head of state.
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Okay I will shoot these down one by one:
1. The people who vandalized the cemetaries vandalized graves of people who fought and died for them. Hardly a comparison to ASSISTING the Iraqis in taking down a symbol of their oppression.
2. Protests turning ugly are just stupid. How can people get their point across when they are throwing rocks and setting cars on fire and shit? And don't say "maybe thats the only way they can". All the extremist protesters greatly dillute the real message the serious protesters are trying to convey.
3. People burning flags are looked down upon because they are burning the flag of THEIR OWN COUNTRY (or their allies). Quite a far cry from taking down a symbol of fear and tyrany.
4. Yes we cheered when the statue came down, because it was symbolic of removing Saddams oppression from the people of Iraq. Guess who cheered the most? The Iraqi people who are happy to be out from under the dictatorship.
"Thousands of young people who have known only the dictatorship of Saddam saw it as a new dawn — calling it the first day of their lives."
Yeah thats sounds terrible huh?
"The scenes of joy were repeated at Arbil in the north, where people realised they were at long last free from Saddam’s control..."
What monsters we are :rolleyes:
"Grateful Iraqis picked yellow flowers and handed them to soldiers as symbolic gifts."
I guess to show their hatred of our terrible act! 
"The bronze Saddam statue quickly became the focus of the liberation. Groups of young Iraqi men ran to the square to try to topple it. They climbed the column and tied a heavy rope around the effigy’s neck, then hurled rocks and stones at Saddam’s face."
What's this? It was the Iraqis who wanted it down? Aww man, and I thought we were the bastard monument defilers! What am I going to sympathize with now?
"One replied: “Thank you, thank you. We are free at last. Saddam is gone. He can’t hurt us any more.”"
Sounds to me like we did the right thing. If you disagree its only because you didn't live under Saddams rule. Its easy to sit back in your air conditioned house, on the internet, using the very freedom you take for granted to put down on your own country isn't it?
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| Saddam = ownt. [message #13171] |
Thu, 10 April 2003 14:04 |
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Bad comparison. We didn't topple the statue, we just helped the Iraqis who had already started it. And the Statue of Liberty is a symbol of our freedom (or liberty), not a symbol of how our president is always watching us.
I'm the bawss.
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| Saddam = ownt. [message #13514] |
Sat, 12 April 2003 06:24 |
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| Commando no. 448 |
Well anyways let's replace the Statue of Liberty then with that mountain with the carved faces in it as you all don't see the connection I saw and thought was apparent.
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LOL...
OMG, what a dumbass, you don't even know what that mountain is called. 
It's Mount Rushmore dumbass. And you still don't get it.
Saddam's statues were put there to intimidate his people and to make it known that he's watching over them, Et Cetera.
The Statue of Liberty was put there as a gift from France, it symbolizes freedom, liberty, etc. It is looked apon as a light, a beacon, a symbole of America.
Mount Rushmore was put there to "celebrate", or as a memorial to some of our most important leaders.
You can hardly compare these two monuments to Saddam's statues. You must be really desperate to find some little thing to support your stupid, idiotic and nonsense arguments.
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| Saddam = ownt. [message #13555] |
Sat, 12 April 2003 09:23 |
AstralFX
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Another Iraqi View Of 'Dancing In The Street'
(IPPN) -- This email is from an Iraqi corresponding with Lorna, who was over there as part of the Mid Hudson Valley Peace Brigade.
Today is a sad day for all the people of Iraq. Baghdad has been raped.
The singing and dancing in the streets .... is a terrible movie. I cannot put it in a better way than my husband, as he has said, "the American Army and the Bush administration have used lots of horrible weapons ... but the most lethal weapon of all ...is the savage people, that they have unleashed in the streets of Baghdad, calling them...the people of Iraq!"
Those people that you see on the streets, are the people of "Althowra city" or as they call it sometimes "Saddam's city." Those people do not in any way resemble the people of Iraq. They resemble the community of criminals in Iraq. As you can see, they are not only dancing , but they are also looting, robbing stores, stealing cars, burning places, and trashing the streets!Those people whom you see dancing were the very same people who used to appear on TV, clapping for Saddam like crazy, when everyone else was against him. They are opportunists who have no principles at all. Always with the winner, ... and they sell very cheap.
I don't think that it was a coincidence that the American army has decided to enter Baghdad from this city. Please...you can believe whatever you want, just don't call a bunch of looters and murderers "thepeople of Iraq."
The people of Iraq are not on the streets because they are afraid of those maniacs, who were unleashed into the streets, due to the absence of the authority. Since I was in Iraq, last February, the real people of Iraq were very afraid of what these savages were planning to do, when there was no government control, because the same thing has happened after war in 1991. We don't see people on the streets ... we only see a group of men who are trashing the place and act like idiots.
The movie of "Baghdad Dancing" apparently was successful, because everyone believes it. And no one is asking about what is happening in the rest of Baghdad. A lethal weapon indeed. Now that there is no government, Baghdad is full of chaos.
The reporters are afraid to move, but they've visited Al-Sinek area ... and there it was a different story.
The streets looked dark and deserted...No one was dancing.There are places that have been bombed, and traces of bloodstains covered the road. There were families who are mourning the loss of loved ones ...the death of a father and three daughters.
The reporters drove in different places in Baghdad ... the streets were empty. And there was a demonstration by the foreigners in Iraq, and a lady was saying, "this is all propaganda, many people I know are against any presence of American army in Iraq." Today, the American soldiers shot at an ambulance that was carrying some casualties, killing two and injuring three. In Basra, armed people robbed a bank. Others burned a grain storage ... when the soldiers were just observing and never attempted to stop it. "
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| Saddam = ownt. [message #15292] |
Fri, 18 April 2003 01:16 |
spotelmo
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the looting in iraq is in my opinion a terrible thing. i understand looting the warehouses filled with food that was supposed to be handed out to the people, and i understand the toppling of the statues. what i don't like is the looting of the palaces and museums and hospitals.
even some of the statues and signs of saddam should be preserved for historical value.
many of those iraqis are simply criminals who are trying to capitalize on saddam's fall for their own good regardless of the cost to their country when it comes to rebuilding and in the loss of valuable historical treasures.
much of this is like if someone were to nuke the smithsonian(sp?) many valuable historical artifacts have been lost. many valuable buildings will have to be rebuilt. many people are being hurt and denied services due to the unrest. i understand that the people have been oppressed for so long and now they are over joyed to be free. and mob mentality usually takes over like it does after a national championship or a bad court decision, but it sure would be nice if the iraqi citizens would take the gift of freedom they have been given and show the world that they are "adult" enough to be able to handle it and that they are capable of governing themselves in a mature free manner.
now, that being said... it is not the role of the marines and rangers and tank commanders etc. to be guarding this place from looters. they are soldiers not policemen. they don't know which building is which and it would be a big mistake to start harassing the citizens they just freed. the iraqis want to govern themselves? fine, they can start by showing some restraint instead of acting like a bunch of escaped criminals with the town keys.
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| Saddam = ownt. [message #19402] |
Thu, 08 May 2003 09:06 |
KIRBY098
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The Baath party used cooersion and threats to force eevryone else into thier party. Name me one other political party that ran against Saadaam in the last election.
They abused democratic voting processes to install themselves in power. The last election 100% of the people voted for him. That has never happened in any society unless the ruling party was cooercing the public through threats.
The weren't elected, they elected themselves.
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| Saddam = ownt. [message #19967] |
Sun, 11 May 2003 20:05 |
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bigwig992
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Heh.
We liberated Iraq. Their citizens ripped down the monument because they didn't like Saddam.
Now lets say this happened.
Canada invaded America. Canada won ( :rolleyes: ). Do you think any of the "liberated" citizens would tear down the Statue of Liberty?
NO! Because our leaders arn't dictators, and in our country we have freedom of speech. Here in America, we enjoy our freedoms, we arn't pushed around, we arn't limited in freedoms. If we had the chance, we (speaking for all Americans) would NOT tear down our Statue. Now, why do you think the Iraqi's took down theirs? It symbolized 20 years of a leader that sucked, plain and simple.
And I agree, letting the Iraqi's take down Saddams statue, is like letting the Jew's take down the banner's and signs at the deathcamps.
-The ONLY Renegade fan to pee off a school.
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| Saddam = ownt. [message #20170] |
Tue, 13 May 2003 05:38 |
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| bigwig992 |
Heh.
We liberated Iraq. Their citizens ripped down the monument because they didn't like Saddam.
Now lets say this happened.
Canada invaded America. Canada won ( :rolleyes: ). Do you think any of the "liberated" citizens would tear down the Statue of Liberty?
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That would be a good example, except that you have it backwards. They took down Saddam's statues because it was a sign of him, of his power over them, etc. If Canada were to invade and occupy America (Yeah right, they couldn't invade and occupy a shower, let alone another country.  j/k), and they were taken out, the Citizens would remove the references to Canada, their statues, symboles, etc, not to past America.
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