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Renegade: Source??? [message #128557] Thu, 23 December 2004 09:04 Go to next message
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I'm not adept at 3d games modding, so I could only hope that what I'm asking does not sound stupid...

Recently, I have seen Renegade Alert and many Ren mods switched their code to Source, the new engine used for HL2 and CS:S. People said that the Ren Alert is "ported" to Source and W3D models. My question is: Is it possible to "port" the Renegade itself to Source, in the same way it is done with Ren Alert?


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Renegade: Source??? [message #128561] Thu, 23 December 2004 09:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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that would be illegal
Renegade: Source??? [message #128562] Thu, 23 December 2004 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, only if people sold it.

No. Seriously. No.
Renegade: Source??? [message #128567] Thu, 23 December 2004 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, it's a blatant copyright violation regardless if it's sold or not. However, there is a larger fine if it's sold.

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Renegade: Source??? [message #128569] Thu, 23 December 2004 10:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We better not then, EA will sue the pants off of us, and make us dance for them afterwards.

No. Seriously. No.
Renegade: Source??? [message #128574] Thu, 23 December 2004 10:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And yes, porting Renegade to source would be illegal. You would need permission from EA first.


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Renegade: Source??? [message #128583] Thu, 23 December 2004 12:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You would need permission from EA first.


You just got to wait until pigs can fly for that. So your probably talking about never for the permission.


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Renegade: Source??? [message #128587] Thu, 23 December 2004 12:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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not true, they would let you. It would only cost you your life in Royalties.

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Renegade: Source??? [message #128594] Thu, 23 December 2004 12:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can someone ask 'em how much it would cost? Confused Wink

Renegade: Source??? [message #128603] Thu, 23 December 2004 13:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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if i had the skill i would do it. Who cares what EA thinks. Pirates life for me.

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Renegade: Source??? [message #128604] Thu, 23 December 2004 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Make sure to tell us when you get the summons.

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Renegade: Source??? [message #128605] Thu, 23 December 2004 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Make sure to tell EA that there are 50 million loop hole to get me out of any legal infraction.

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Renegade: Source??? [message #128606] Thu, 23 December 2004 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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then why wasnt the port from red alert to the renegade engine illegal?

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Renegade: Source??? [message #128607] Thu, 23 December 2004 13:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Because it wasn't the direct models from Red Alert being put into Renegade.

whoa.
Renegade: Source??? [message #128608] Thu, 23 December 2004 13:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Even if you win they'll run you dry.

Just to respond to the stupid thing so you don't go into default it $150.

Now, factor in all the other fees and you'll see it really isn't worth it.


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Renegade: Source??? [message #128609] Thu, 23 December 2004 13:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No. Stop watching matlock.

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Renegade: Source??? [message #128610] Thu, 23 December 2004 13:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Okay, do it. Just expect an "I told you so."

Oh, and I don't know who "matlock" is; I have first hand experience.


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Renegade: Source??? [message #128623] Thu, 23 December 2004 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No. Stop watching matlock.


He's right, legal fees are a bitch. It's not just lawyer fees, there are tons of court fees and whatnot to go along with it. Even if you find some loophole to let you port all of the models created by EA/WS for Renegade to a competitors engine, you would still have to defend those actions. Also, no such loophole exists...

If you're talking about making a Tiberian Dawn themed multiplayer game for Half-Life 2 with no affiliation with Renegade, then you may get by with it. However, they have every right to shut you down if they see fit. I assume the bigger mods like Ren Alert and Dead 6 have attained some kind of permission from EA though.


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Renegade: Source??? [message #128650] Thu, 23 December 2004 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have never been charged for legal fee's. Ever.

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Renegade: Source??? [message #128796] Fri, 24 December 2004 10:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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if i had the skill i would do it. Who cares what EA thinks. Pirates life for me.


This is more of a TECHNICAL question...

Hmm... I'm just asking about technically whether it is possible to "port" them to Source. I'm aware that it risks violating the copyright protection (*cough*which EA doesn't deserve*cough*) and anyway I have no intention of porting the whole thing, though I might try on a few models if I know how though. Wanna see how NEAT these models would run in Source... Otherwise, put it this way: How are W3D models converted to Source?


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Renegade: Source??? [message #128799] Fri, 24 December 2004 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can easily convert the models. There are tools with the HL2 SDK that allow you to do that. The models really wont look that much better in Source because they are low-poly and the textures are low-res. All source is going to do is add shadows. You cant technically "port" Renegade to Source unless you have the raw Renegade source code. We don't so we can't do it. You could try to copy it as best you can, but that wouldn't be considered a port.
Renegade: Source??? [message #128829] Fri, 24 December 2004 12:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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oblivion165

I have never been charged for legal fee's. Ever.


Then you probablly haven't ever replied to a summons.


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Renegade: Source??? [message #128837] Fri, 24 December 2004 13:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Renegade: Source??? [message #128882] Fri, 24 December 2004 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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would be nice to see renegade on source
but.. that can only be a dream
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Renegade just wouldn't be renegade with out the graphics it currently has, you just couldn't re-create its feel and style.

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