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Mine Matters [message #126669] Wed, 15 December 2004 11:19 Go to next message
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I saw a dispute while playing on WOL so I guess I'll put this "tactical scenario" up for you guys to provide input.

In any, it is obvious that you'll need to prevent your opponents from sneaking in with APCs and f*cking off your buildings. One of your defenses are proximity C4s or mines. Now, there are two ways of mining.

[list]1. Mine buildings - Pretty straightforward. You mine the doors of the buildings. This prevents those pesky techs from blowing your structures from the MCT by C4'ing it. This is of course, normally used in maps with defenses. But if you play in maps without AGTs and Obelisks I see that many hotties and techs consider another option.[/list:u]
[list]2. Mine Tunnels - Tunnels. Entrances. Whatever. You mine the entrances to your base which might include tunnels and all that. This effective prevents your opponents from getting even near the buildings. An effective way to prevent Ions or Nukes outside buildings, but weak against APC.[/list:u]

The problem is, due to mine limits, normally you can't do both. Once, I was playing on C&C_Islands.mix and two hotwires (I was on GDI) were arguing on whether to mine buildings or tunnels. They both had a point. Mine buildings and risk the buildings getting nuked from the SBHs, one said. Mine tunnels and let the APCs waltz in with C4s, another said.

Let's consider you're either GDI or Nod playing on Islands, and it was the beginning of the game (i.e. no buildings destroyed and no idea what the enemy is up to), and you were the only hotwire/technician and were given order to mine fast.

My question is, considering the pros and cons, how would you mine in this map (Islands) and other non-AGT&Obelisk maps?


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Mine Matters [message #126716] Wed, 15 December 2004 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On GDI, definately mine bar no matter what. Ped Beacons are no fun. On Islands for GDI I would say mine buildings cause sbh are gonna get in even if you mine the tunnels.
Mine Matters [message #126834] Thu, 16 December 2004 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ALLWAYS MINE THE BARRAX ON UNDER!

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Mine Matters [message #126911] Thu, 16 December 2004 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ALLWAYS MINE THE BARRAX ON UNDER!

:rolleyes: Err, wtf? The agt will pwn the Nod people that try to go in. At the most it deseves 1 mine.


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Mine Matters [message #126981] Thu, 16 December 2004 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Never mine the tunnels, people will find another way in and then you have undefended buildings. Mining the tunnels is a waste. The rare exception to this is maybe mining the back of the bases on Field/Under for example, due to people sneaking in the back and nuking from behind a wall. Besides this exception it's better to mine building entrances. Mining alone won't prevent people from getting in though, playing defense helps too. No one does that anymore, though. Razz

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Mine Matters [message #127026] Fri, 17 December 2004 07:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ALLWAYS MINE THE BARRAX ON UNDER!

:rolleyes: Err, wtf? The agt will pwn the Nod people that try to go in. At the most it deseves 1 mine.


Look in the dictonary under "sarcasm" mister.


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Mine Matters [message #127042] Fri, 17 December 2004 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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^^ Your not funny. So stop spamming.
Mine Matters [message #127054] Fri, 17 December 2004 10:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You bl0w. Plz die nub.

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Mine Matters [message #127207] Fri, 17 December 2004 18:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The short answer: it depends.

For the GDI side on Islands mining the tunnels is really dumb. There's no way of mining the front of the base and the tunnels to keep SBHs out. A SBH is going to go for the path of "least mines" so you may hit him with 1 or 2 prox minutes, but he'll make it through cloaked. On the other hand: you can properly mine all GDI buildings so the SBHs cannot nuke inside the buildings. This greatly reduces their effectiveness as you can drive from building to building to find and disarm the nukes relatively quickly.

For NOD's side on Islands: I usually do the tunnels. This protects both the airstrip and the hand since they are right on top of the tunnels. And then maybe the back of the Refinery to thwart APC rushes.

For walls: I mine the ref, wf and pp ramps. SBHs love to nuke from the top of the buildings. Again, mining tunnels entrances doesn't make sense. As an SBH I can easily run the mines and take some damage. But I don't want to set a nuke on the bottom of a building!
Mine Matters [message #127281] Sat, 18 December 2004 07:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You bl0w. Plz die nub.


I've been here longer than you, before the n00bs started registering here. So, your the n00b, deal with it.

And while your at it, learn some decent English please. :rolleyes:
Mine Matters [message #127294] Sat, 18 December 2004 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It really depends on the size of the game... but here's a general guideline

City Flying
GDI: both power doors, back of ref, back of WF, AGT
Nod: both power doors, back of ref, airstrip, Ob. Waste of time mining the Hand

Walls Flying
GDI: tunnel entrances at the TOP of the ramps, this way you can see infiltrators disarming them. Also scatter a thin line at the front gate as a SBH warning system
Nod: tunnel entrances (see GDI)

Field
GDI: AGT, back of ref/barracks to prevent nukes, put the rest between the AGT and the base entrance
Nod: ob, hand, ref, air

Under
GDI: AGT, put the rest between AGT and base entrance
Nod: ob, back tunnel near the powerplant

Complex
not much point mining

Volcano
tunnel entrances

Islands
GDI: lots at the tunnel, a thin line at the water fjord thingy as a SBH warning system
Nod: lots at the tunnel

Canyon
GDI: lots at the tunnel, a few at the tank entrance
Nod: lots at the tunnel

Mesa
GDI: AGT, if wallhop is allowed back of ref as well
Nod: powerplant, air, ob, back of Hand

Hourglass
GDI: AGT
Nod: Ob


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Mine Matters [message #127296] Sat, 18 December 2004 09:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Hourglas and GDI i really would also mine the PP... its too easy for Nod to get there.
same for HoN front entrance


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Mine Matters [message #127298] Sat, 18 December 2004 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You bl0w. Plz die nub.


I've been here longer than you, before the n00bs started registering here. So, your the n00b, deal with it.

And while your at it, learn some decent English please. :rolleyes:


You are a complete utter moron. How can you actually call me a n00b for that fact that you are a forum troll and I'm not. I actually play the game and own at doing so. All you do is spam the forums without knowing jack shit about the game itself, which makes most of your posts invalid. Maybe one day even detective dipshit will realize, that games were primarily made to play and not to chat about.
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Mine Matters [message #127303] Sat, 18 December 2004 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Laeubi

On Hourglas and GDI i really would also mine the PP... its too easy for Nod to get there.
same for HoN front entrance

We're assuming your team is actually playing, in which case there would be meds on the sides and the hill/near the AGT....

If you are to assume GDI is completely fucking retarded, then yes, Nod can APC rush the powerplant :rolleyes:


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Mine Matters [message #127307] Sat, 18 December 2004 10:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You should mine Back of WF and Ref too then.

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Mine Matters [message #127315] Sat, 18 December 2004 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You spelt barracks, barrax...


Please.


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Mine Matters [message #127319] Sat, 18 December 2004 11:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Next time I'll write it "rax".

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Mine Matters [message #127331] Sat, 18 December 2004 12:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You bl0w. Plz die nub.


I've been here longer than you, before the n00bs started registering here. So, your the n00b, deal with it.

And while your at it, learn some decent English please. :rolleyes:


You are a complete utter moron. How can you actually call me a n00b for that fact that you are a forum troll and I'm not. I actually play the game and own at doing so. All you do is spam the forums without knowing jack shit about the game itself, which makes most of your posts invalid. Maybe one day even detective dipshit will realize, that games were primarily made to play and not to chat about.
You rock!


I know jackshit? I play this game all the fucking time! And it looks like you found a dictionary, wewt. Who gives a shit if I'm a forum troll. I'll connect to these forums if I want to. :rolleyes:

So shut the fuck up, because YOU don't know what your talking about.
Mine Matters [message #127370] Sat, 18 December 2004 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know jackshit? I play this game all the fucking time!


Wow for having no life at all you sure suck at your only hobby.

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And it looks like you found a dictionary, wewt.


L!OL UM YA I TINK SO 2

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Who gives a shit if I'm a forum troll. I'll connect to these forums if I want to.


Good call there buddy. At least you're not the one telling other people what to do.
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^^ Your not funny. So stop spamming.


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So shut the fuck up, because YOU don't know what your talking about.


By now I know that you're a lonely cybergeek who doesn't even succeed in his only ambition and talks in controversy.


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Mine Matters [message #127374] Sat, 18 December 2004 15:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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y ppl hate me?

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Mine Matters [message #127376] Sat, 18 December 2004 15:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You bl0w. Plz die nub.


I've been here longer than you, before the n00bs started registering here. So, your the n00b, deal with it.

And while your at it, learn some decent English please. :rolleyes:


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Mine Matters [message #127378] Sat, 18 December 2004 15:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You bl0w. Plz die nub.


I've been here longer than you, before the n00bs started registering here. So, your the n00b, deal with it.

And while your at it, learn some decent English please. :rolleyes:


You are a complete utter moron. How can you actually call me a n00b for that fact that you are a forum troll and I'm not. I actually play the game and own at doing so. All you do is spam the forums without knowing jack shit about the game itself, which makes most of your posts invalid. Maybe one day even detective dipshit will realize, that games were primarily made to play and not to chat about.
You rock!


Him a troll? No, you look uglier, you can take that role.


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Mine Matters [message #127439] Sat, 18 December 2004 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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y ppl hate me?


Why? Because you piss people off. And yes, I have a life. Obviously, since I'm posting here, you should have the common sense to realise that. :rolleyes:
Mine Matters [message #127472] Sat, 18 December 2004 23:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On islands I like to have someone mine and keep mine-watch on the tunnels while I use the baddest man in the game™ at the front waterway. You can cover the whole area by running left to right and keep the SBHs at bay. Any who try to come pass get pelted in the head Razz
don't do it with a vehicle because you can't see an SBH unless he is near touching point to you.
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