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| Lets put a positive spin on some facts for once [message #114308] |
Sun, 12 September 2004 20:29  |
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bigejoe14
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There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January.
In the fair city of Detroit, there were 35 murders in the month of January.
That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.
When some claims President Bush shouldn't have started this war, remind them of the following:
FDR led us into WWII. Germany never attacked us, Japan did.
From 1942-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Harry S. Truman finished the war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost. An average of 18,334 per year.
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
Lyndon B. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost. An average of 5,800 per year.
Bill Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two contries, crushed the Taliban, wounded al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North Korea without firing a shot and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but it took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno, the FBI, and the ATF to take the Branch Davidian compund. That was a 51 day operation.
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd infantry division and the Marines to destroy the Median Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!
Our Commander-In-Cheif is doing a great job!
The military morale is high!
The biased media hopes were are to ignorant to realize the facts.
WHATEVER, FAGGOT
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| Lets put a positive spin on some facts for once [message #114359] |
Mon, 13 September 2004 09:41  |
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Crimson
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Actually Bush has helped them, two of their main ays of recruitment are through the people who want America out of Palestine and Saudi, now they have Iraq to add to the list, Al-Qaida are stronger than ever.
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Does this accusation have any basis in fact? Where's your proof?
I'm the bawss.
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| Lets put a positive spin on some facts for once [message #114397] |
Mon, 13 September 2004 14:05 |
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Fabian
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| bigjoe14 |
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January. In the fair city of Detroit, there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.
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Why don't we talk totals, not just January, shall we? Why, I believe 80 people were killed just today! Ho Boy! If you were to pick a different month, like September, you would more than double the number of murders in Detroit. Not to mention the massive emotional and psychological consequences of war that places like Detroit don't have to deal with.
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From 1942-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
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Those were casualties from a necessary war. If we didn't go to war then, we would eventually have to face a bigger enemy anyway. Previous posts have already rebutted your supposed theorey that our involvment in WWII was not justified, so I won't bother.
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John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
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JFK didn't start the Vietnamese conflict in 1962. It was a French-Vietnamese conflict, and we got invloved. If you meant to say "he started US invlovment," you should have said so.
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It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!
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The US population is over 280 million. Iraq's population is somewhere near 24 million (?). On average, it does not take counting votes as long as did in 2000. But anyway, is your point that Iraq can hold more efficient elections than the US? If so, what is the relevance to our handeling of the war in Iraq? Well, we may be in a war that is based on faulty intelligence and we've lost over 1000 lives that never needed to be lost, but hell, we can overlook an election that is so much quicker than that of the US's!! Go us!
Try comparing timeframes to similar events that happened previously. Your attempts (who are we kidding--some other source's attempts) to put these timeframes in perspective are hidding how long the said events should take.
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| Lets put a positive spin on some facts for once [message #114446] |
Mon, 13 September 2004 18:38 |
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bigejoe14
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Those were casualties from a necessary war. If we didn't go to war then, we would eventually have to face a bigger enemy anyway. Previous posts have already rebutted your supposed theorey that our involvment in WWII was not justified, so I won't bother.
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Wait, you think I said that our involvment in World War II wasn't justified? Holy shit! Think about it. The Liberal cry babies are the ones complaining that Iraq was not a imminent threat to us. Well neither was Germany but we went there anyway and kicked their asses. Sure we could have just stayed in the Pacific and fought the Japanese, but Germany was picking on the British next door. So we hopped the fence and bashed their heads in. The point I'm trying to prove is that we are the world police. We do not let our friends get picked on. If you pick on our friends next door, we will hop the fence and beat down on you.
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JFK didn't start the Vietnamese conflict in 1962. It was a French-Vietnamese conflict, and we got invloved. If you meant to say "he started US invlovment," you should have said so.
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Yes, JFK did start the Vietnam conflict. Yes, it was a French-Vietnamese conflict. But the French were defeated. Then the Japanese stepped into Vietnam. They were defeated also. Then the UN got involved to watch over the surrender of the Japanese. The UN split Vietnam into North and South (North being the communist portion) and funded and supported South Vietnam. Once the Berlin Wall was constructed in the 1960's, JFK stepped up our involvement even more in Vietnam. More than the UN allowed us to. Then once Kennedy was shot in the head and Lyndon B. Johnson took over as President, he screwd up things even more than Kennedy did.
If Kennedy would have just left Vietnam alone this wouldn't have happend. But as usual he acts like a typical Liberal and screws everything up.
WHATEVER, FAGGOT
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| Lets put a positive spin on some facts for once [message #114450] |
Mon, 13 September 2004 19:16 |
spoonyrat
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| bigejoe14 |
but Germany was picking on the British next door. So we hopped the fence and bashed their heads in. The point I'm trying to prove is that we are the world police. We do not let our friends get picked on. If you pick on our friends next door, we will hop the fence and beat down on you.
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yeah, and it only took you a few years to hop that fence, huh
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| Lets put a positive spin on some facts for once [message #114506] |
Tue, 14 September 2004 05:59 |
NHJ BV
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But war does do more emotional damage to people not directly acquainted with the victim. Not to mention the effect destroyed buildings, regular gunfire and whatnot out on the streets has on people.
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| Lets put a positive spin on some facts for once [message #114613] |
Tue, 14 September 2004 11:34 |
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Fabian
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| bigjoe14 |
Yes, JFK did start the Vietnam conflict. Yes, it was a French-Vietnamese conflict. But the French were defeated. Then the Japanese stepped into Vietnam. They were defeated also. Then the UN got involved to watch over the surrender of the Japanese. The UN split Vietnam into North and South (North being the communist portion) and funded and supported South Vietnam. Once the Berlin Wall was constructed in the 1960's, JFK stepped up our involvement even more in Vietnam. More than the UN allowed us to. Then once Kennedy was shot in the head and Lyndon B. Johnson took over as President, he screwd up things even more than Kennedy did.
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You still don't get it. He started the US invlovment, but he did not start the original conflict. I hate to spend too much time on it because it doesn't matter too much. Moving on...
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Do you think a child crys more every night, when they're father is killed by a thug on the street, than if he were killed by iraqi mortar fire. I doubt that. I doubt a child would ever say "My father died because of gang crime, no biggee... I'm just so fortunate that my father DIDNT die defending his country, for if that were true I just don't know how I'd go on"
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Im talking about both US soldiers and Iraqi civilians. Between the deaths on both sides, the destruction and PTSD that so many people will get from being in a warring state for so long, the emotional costs of a war are much higher than that of a murder/murders.
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| Lets put a positive spin on some facts for once [message #114644] |
Tue, 14 September 2004 12:21 |
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Hydra
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Whoa, hold up there. Where were you during the Battle of Britian (and no, sending a few supplies over there doesn't really help the manpower issue)? What about every major conflict prior to Normandy? Listen to Warranto man, I highly suggest it. It is a fair assumption that the United States would have sat over there here in the west and did nothing until it was too late should Pearl Harbour have never happened.
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Firstly, it was hardly just a "few" supplies we sent to aid Britian in the war. Secondly, Would you not call Operation Torch major? Thirdly, it was inevitable that the U.S. would have gotten involved in the war, whether Pearl Harbor was bombed or not. The American peope saw the Nazi war machine eat up Europe and knew it wouldn't be contained just there after all of Europe fell to its power, so most of the isolationists pulled their heads out of their asses and started gearing up for war. Then, Pearl Harbor was bombed, which only expedited our entry into the war.
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
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| Lets put a positive spin on some facts for once [message #114657] |
Tue, 14 September 2004 12:58 |
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Javaxcx
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Firstly, it was hardly just a "few" supplies we sent to aid Britian in the war.
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Really? How many men did you send there to use those supplies? I know my country was there defending Britian. You know, American involvement didn't save Britian, the people fighting and dying saved Britian.
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Secondly, Would you not call Operation Torch major?
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I'll concede to that, given I've just read about it.
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Thirdly, it was inevitable that the U.S. would have gotten involved in the war, whether Pearl Harbor was bombed or not. The American peope saw the Nazi war machine eat up Europe and knew it wouldn't be contained just there after all of Europe fell to its power, so most of the isolationists pulled their heads out of their asses and started gearing up for war. Then, Pearl Harbor was bombed, which only expedited our entry into the war.
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I didn't say the U.S. wouldn't have gotten involved.
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| Lets put a positive spin on some facts for once [message #114663] |
Tue, 14 September 2004 13:25 |
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bigejoe14
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You still don't get it. He started the US invlovment, but he did not start the original conflict. I hate to spend too much time on it because it doesn't matter too much. Moving on...
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If you would have payed attention more you would have noticed that I said nothing about France or Japan. What you would have noticed is that the whole thing is about the U.S.. Everything in this topic is related to the U.S., not Japan, or Britain or France, or any other third world hell hole.
WHATEVER, FAGGOT
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