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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #111961] |
Mon, 30 August 2004 13:02  |
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warranto
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Seeing as how so many topic end up going so far off the original point onto this subject, there might as well be a main area to discuss it.
From now on, instead of quoting and responding in the thread that does not deal with it, bring it here. When you quote someone from another thread and you wish for a response, PM them to let them know about it.
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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112023] |
Mon, 30 August 2004 14:52  |
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warranto
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Never was Iraq's severity taken away. They were always 'self governed' and never did the US take that away from them. We simply changed their leader. Which is no way violating that. Iraq is still Iraq and it will now be run by the Iraqi people. We in no way took away their sovereignty.
I am not evil for not caring if an evil person died. I would not care if Saddam died or if Osama dies. I wouldn't have cared when Hitler died or when Stalin died. They were all evil people that made the world a worse place to live. There is no reason not to kill them.
About the Iranian mother. If she lived there for twenty years, I'm assuming she was born there then yes she is brainwashed. Iran has a closed media and they brainwash people from the beginning. She has passed that on to you. Take some asshole out of the anti-bush protests in New York and set them down in Iran and they will never say the same things about the US as they were not so long ago. Same with China, Saddam's Iraq, North Korea, Cuba and the countless other shit holes that you fuck tards want to stay.
ViperFud, you are the biggest retard ever.
Yes, for a group that large you need a permit. It is a law go look it up.
And no New Yorkers never said that. I can show you a video of them saying the complete opposite. They are all pissed at the protesters taking up tax money and all their security forces. Plus all the streets they are taking up.
No I never said it is legal f you don't get caught. No where ever have I said that.
You analogy doesn't work dumb ass. Why the fuck would you be pressing charges if I was the one killed? It doesn't work to begin with because it isn't even a similar situation. You are just pulling shit out of your ass.
Bush never said we are returning Sovereignty to Iraq. He said something that your little mind may have turned into that. Because all of you are so fucking stupid you cannot even understand what someone says, the funny part is you all call him an idiot yes you cannot understand what he says.
BTW Java you keep contradicting yourself with that is garble you keep posting.
If the UN isn't taking away our sovereignty by taking away what we can and can't do how come we are taking away Iraq's sovereignty?
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Wow.. just ...wow.
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If the UN isn't taking away our sovereignty by taking away what we can and can't do how come we are taking away Iraq's sovereignty?
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Did the United states of America sign the United Nations charter? Yes!
Did Iraq sign anything that would let the United States of America invade it? No!
And please enlighten us, just how is Javaxcx contradicting himself?
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No I never said it is legal f you don't get caught. No where ever have I said that.
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This is true, as far as I can see. You didn't say it's legal if you don't get causght, you said it's legal if you are not told it's illegal :rolleyes:
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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112049] |
Mon, 30 August 2004 15:26 |
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Fabian
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What a little dick to talk about my mother like that. For your information, she has been living in the US for the vast majority of her life. WAY before Bush was ever President, or the US named Iran as part of the "Axis of Evil". She has gone to college and is a successful person, and there is almost no way to set her apart from any other American unless I specifically told you of her background. If there is anyone on these forums who is brainwashed, it is you, chump.
let's see...
If you're American, you ought to go to places like Iran and then compare both leaders. That way, you will see Bush is good.
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If you have gotten a taste of other countries like Iran, and you still think Bush is an awful president. You must be brainwashed.
Your logic is awful. Nodbugger, do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.
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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112107] |
Mon, 30 August 2004 18:56 |
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warranto
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Ok then, let's revert to the logic of that statement.
I declare that it is now legal to smoke weed anywhere you like anywhere in the world.
Me saying so doesn't make it so.
Now, try and figure out how that refers to your post.
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You do not get it.
You cannot enforce anything. Only the UN can. They have not said it was illegal. They know what we did and I don't think they are discussing its legality.
That fact of the matter is the UN, who according to you is in charge, has never said it was illegal, ever. So until they say it is illegal it is legal.
Your little weed analogy makes no sense. If the police said smoking weed is OK then it becomes OK. You however are not the police so you can eat shit and die for being so stupid.
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No one said it was illegal? Really now...
Kofi Annan thinks otherwise
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....Question: There are critics in the Middle East who are very strongly criticizing the United Nations, first, for in their eyes legitimizing the results of an illegal war -- which you yourself described as illegal -- in resolution 1483 (2003)....
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regardless, incase you haven't figured it out, IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE FOR BREAKING THE LAW. It does not matter if no one told them the act was illegal, the law says that it is illegal, therefor it is illegal, regardless of the perpetrator being told or not.
How hard is that to understand?
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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112112] |
Mon, 30 August 2004 19:38 |
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warranto
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Someone was putting words into his mouth.
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On your first question, let me say that this is an issue that the Council debated and considered for a long period. There have been divisions, and we cannot overlook that. Those divisions and issues -- positions of principle that governments and individuals took -- are a matter for the record. I do not think that the resolution that the Council adopted last week is going to change the history of the recent past. However, the Council has given us a solid and a legal basis for our operations in Iraq, and I think at this stage that all the Council members are focused on what they can do to help Iraq and the Iraqi people -- and I think that should be our focus and our emphasis. I think if we pursue our actions on that basis, we will be able to make a difference.
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Because as he says here , it does not matter to him.
How hard is it for you to understand, no where has it said what we did was illegal. We did not violate Iraq's sovereignty we did not do any of that.
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Oh yes, I'm putting words into his mouth :rolleyes: . He didn't explicitly say it in that interview? No! Really? I could have sworn the guy asking the questions implied it had been said in a different adress! But how could I have thought of that? Oh, I know!
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....Question: There are critics in the Middle East who are very strongly criticizing the United Nations, first, for in their eyes legitimizing the results of an illegal war -- which you yourself described as illegal -- in resolution 1483 (2003)....
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He says it right here!
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which you yourself described as illegal
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Never violated Iraq's sovereignty, let alone territorial integrity? Guess what an invasion does? Thats right! It violates both of them!
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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112114] |
Mon, 30 August 2004 19:46 |
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DaveGMM
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As any sane minded person can figure out (obviously this excludes Nodbugger), Javaxcx has been making the same point for the last upteen posts:
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Oh well, I guess Crimson must be brainwashed as well. Even she agrees that the United States and the Coalition of the Willing violated international law (even though she still feels strongly that that law is flawed).
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The law says you may not speed. If you speed, you are violating the law, therefore, doing an illegal act. If you are fortunate enough not to be caught, or are fortunate enough not to suffer the appropriate consequences of violating the law, that does not negate the illegality of the act. It simply means you got lucky
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No one cares about that when we're talking about inherent illegality. This problem goes back to March 19th, 2003. You know, when you launched the campaign to get those WMDs didn't appear in stockpiles and were refuted by the Intelligence Reports? Also, the same time when Saddam was legally, and officially recognized as the sovereign head of Iraq. Before, of course, you blew up part of the nation, took him out of power illegally, and instituted a representitive government of your choosing.
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I'll assume you'll point out that "international policy" is a sovereign decision. And it is. However, while that policy does exist legally within each nation, the actions taken as per said policy must not violate the United Nations charter. This means, that if you violate this policy, (like the US and CoW did), you violate it (as far as I've researched) through the United Nations but not of your own sovereign international policy. This means that they cannot be legally charged in their own country, but the U.N. does have the legitimate authority to mediate, or prosecute, based on that illegality.
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So, like warranto, I'll ask this:
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And please enlighten us, just how is Javaxcx contradicting himself?
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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112119] |
Mon, 30 August 2004 20:17 |
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Doitle
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You guys aren't reading what hes saying. Your just ganging up on him and since theres multiples of you guys, you all re affirm each other.
If he is saying that if the UN doesn't care that it was illegal, then why should you, He's completely right. Why on Earth should you care? Why would you be on here arguing that the war is illegal. If it was illegal thats just fine and dandy by me. I'm an average American, I DONT care... If the UN wants to make something of it let them. The war being illegal or legal in Your Guys Mind's, Nodbuggers, and my mind, have absolutely no bearing on anything, real or fictional, that is destined to occur in the past, present or future. Java is not Leader of the UN. Warranto was not removed from power through this illegal action. Nodbugger is not Bush. None of this bickering matters at all. I'm tired of seeing you guys all attack Nodbugger in a big group. He has no backup, nor does he have a big group who can all post at the same time and barrage one of you guys.
Go find something more constructive to do. Add fancy sound systems to your cars, start Saltwater fish tanks, go run for political office. I just can't comprehend how multiple people can spend so much of their time arguing on a topic so pointless.
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