| Cheaters & RenGuard? [message #109737] |
Mon, 23 August 2004 22:00  |
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zunnie
Messages: 2959
Registered: September 2003
Location: Netherlands
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This will scare the shit out of everyone i hope, and then they all download renguard asap. These videos were made just recently and guess what: RenGuard blocks them all ...
cheaters are n00bs correct?
But the people who refuse to run renguard on their servers are even bigger n00bs
Cheaters 'do something' to get their cheats, either make them theirselves (as easy as hell to do that unforunately) or they look for them download them spread over all the net.
So, looking at it like this, in that way cheaters are more intelligent than server owners who dont run RenGuard i think.
I know exactly what you people are gonna say now and i'll quote it because ive heared that so many times:
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We dont run RenGuard because the server stays empty then.
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No shit Sherlock! For as long as there are servers without RenGuard people cant be assed to download RenGuard because they are lazy asses with slow internet connections or an even more logic explanation is:
You can make cheats so freaking easily and the possibilities are unlimited LOL really. You can make a Medium Tank (or any other tank/infantry) do 10% (or more %) more damage to everything it hits for example, trust me: Thats a huge advantage... and guess what: You hardly notice the difference and people can get away with it easily laughing at all of you because they so called "owned you".
And the most funny thing is: RenGuard blocks it lol.
Im going to have to shock you guys before you FINALLY FUCKING FINALLY run RenGuard i guess. So have a look at these two videos shot by the infamous Cyberpunk as he calls himself on Renegade so sit back relax and enjoy this:
n00b cheats that are blocked by RG. [Part One] 25MB
n00b cheats that are blocked by RG. [Part Two] 34MB
Nice huh? I hope i scared the shit out of everyone with this, and something ironic: I hope people will start cheating because of this. Because an increase in cheaters seems to be the only way to get people to run RenGuard on their servers. Ironicly..
And: Im not talking to any server owners in particular here, im talking in common here. So dont feel as if i attack you or something. This is just the truth.
Seeya on a RenGuard protected server. And for you who refuse to run it:
You Are An Ignorant Idiot
[zunnie]
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| Cheaters & RenGuard? [message #109741] |
Mon, 23 August 2004 22:54  |
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Crimson
Messages: 7429
Registered: February 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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He's not selling it. No one is. He didn't make this video, he's just showing you who's playing in your servers while you think moderators are enough to protect it.
I'm the bawss.
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| Cheaters & RenGuard? [message #109742] |
Mon, 23 August 2004 23:05 |
Alkaline
Messages: 1132
Registered: November 2003
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Seriously you rg server owners need to stfu :rolleyes: Your worse then those Jesus freaks at Mardi grass...
the rest of the server owners will run rg if they want, these cry baby posts won't do jack shit.
if we saw some jackass hacker doing this in game, obviously he would be banned :rolleyes:
rater not be 100% perfect full time protection (which not even RG does because I know for a fact rg network goes down and or ssc crashes) than not have anyone to play against.
http://www.UNRules.com
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| Cheaters & RenGuard? [message #109758] |
Tue, 24 August 2004 01:03 |
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Crimson
Messages: 7429
Registered: February 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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It's not a "scare tactic". It's the truth. This guy obviously got away with cheating in this game for quite some time... imagine how many others aren't being caught....
I'm the bawss.
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| Cheaters & RenGuard? [message #109761] |
Tue, 24 August 2004 02:11 |
ohnou812
Messages: 58
Registered: March 2003
Location: Western NY
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Let's make this comparison. Door locks on a car keep honest people honest. If they weren't honest they would break the window on the car and take what they want anyway. Renguard on a server keeps honest people honest. As long as there are servers without Renguard there will be generally honest people that will cheat.
Just my .02 cents!
Founder of Ohnouserv AOW Renegade Server
US Navy Veteran
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| Cheaters & RenGuard? [message #109762] |
Tue, 24 August 2004 02:41 |
stahlei
Messages: 34
Registered: April 2003
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The cheaters themselve are morons, there i agree. But i think server owners who do not use a full functional cheat protection are morons too. The biggest problem is, that you play a lot with kind and good players you think. And other players you think are cheater cause they own you. It makes a lot of mischief between the players if you cannot determine if they cheat or not. Whole clans are in war because of that mischief. With renguard there is no more crying like bigheader, damage hacker oder cheater.
The last very bad Reaction i had: I was playing on the german server of U-F, normally known as very kind and skilled players. Map was islands. I was in fron of the nod base with a med pounding a the hand. Besides of me there was a mrls attacking nod ref. "Suddenly" the nod ref was destroyed. U-F did a gmeover NOW. I asked why and they said there was a cheater in gdi who destroyed nod ref. But it wasn a cheater, it was a freaking mrls who shot at ref over a minuted and no one in the nod base was interested in that fact.
I hate that mischief. Therefore i said to U-F: "I'll be back on your server if you install renguard".
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| Cheaters & RenGuard? [message #109775] |
Tue, 24 August 2004 05:13 |
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Xtrm2Matt
Messages: 1318
Registered: February 2003
Location: England, UK
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So basically, what your saying is, because I refuse to run RenGuard, because I like my populated server most of the day, that i'm a n00b? I tell you this. I don't take kind to cheats and cheaters. It was only yesterday when I banned another cheater from my server.
It's true, RenGuard does generally de-populate servers. Most people don't want to download RenGuard, most people don't trust it, most people just don't want it. I run it everytime I play Renegade, it doesn't mean to say that I play in RenGuard servers. Infact, most of the servers I play in don't run RenGuard! Only The Pits and the n00bstories servers do, as far as I'm aware.
You can't force a server owner to run RenGuard. Sure, you can bitch about it.. whine about it.. cry about it.. but at the end of the day; no-one cares! We pay for the servers, we run them, you don't. You can whine and bitch all you want about how sucky our servers are because we don't run RenGuard, but we pay for them, therefore we do whatever the fuck we want with them.
I have enough Moderators and Administrators both in-game and in IRC to run my server cheat-free without RenGuard. As I mentioned before, Moderators work in-game together. KoTPaine thought he saw a cheater, I immediatly checked it out within a minute of him questioning it (instant repair). Within that minute, I kicked and banned the cheater. I trust my Moderators and Administrators. If I didn't, I would probably run RenGuard. But no, hence I don't run RenGuard.
It's not the fact I don't like RenGuard, it's great. It's stopped the majority of the cheats, but the end of the day it will never stop all cheats available. But yes, the majority it will. People will always find a way around that, that doesn't bother me at all. Providing we keep our servers cheat-free, that's fine with me.
The only other reason I don't run RenGuard on my server is because it managed to clear my full capacity server (32 players..) in a matter of seconds because no-one downloaded, installed and ran RenGuard. I'm not going to force my players to download RenGuard, to be hoenst no-one can do that.
So yeah, until I don't trust my Moderators, I will keep my server RenGuard-free. I feel happy enough to leave my server without me anywhere near it, and my Moderators will gladly kick and ban all cheaters.
http://www.OpticalGaming.com || irc.OpticalGaming.com
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| Cheaters & RenGuard? [message #109779] |
Tue, 24 August 2004 06:11 |
JPNOD
Messages: 807
Registered: April 2004
Location: Area 51
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The main reason why i stopped playing Ladder Games for ladder (LARGE servers) 50 player/40 ecta for the big points thats why i retired and made July 2004 as my last ladder whore run. And started playing SMall games sometimes big games. Because ive had games.. were lets say
GDI only has baracks. with 3 mins left. They are obviously out of money only bar. THen we get like '5 apc's wich own the inf with easy, 3 nukes back of bar gets disarmed in 1 sec. Most of the time Cheaters are on GDI too.
wich causes a loss.
anyways just my idea. Im not willing to run renguard my own and seeing other serves full. SMall games are already hard to fill up. We all go run it.. and see what hapens then, if not well im just staying for that eventualy in a small game a cheater is easier to find.
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| Cheaters & RenGuard? [message #109787] |
Tue, 24 August 2004 07:16 |
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smwScott
Messages: 225
Registered: February 2003
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There really is no point to be made here. It is no ones place but the server owners to decide what they run on their server. If they choose to run Ren Guard, then fine. If they choose to rely on moderator protection, then fine. If they choose to create a server that allows and encourages cheats, then fine. It is their server, their money, their fucking business. Everyone else is merely a guest in their server.
Telling someone they're morons for not running Ren Guard and that you think they should run Ren Guard is about like telling someone how you think they should decorate their house, and then start whining when they don't do it that way.
Not to mention that you are in no way forced to play on their server if you want to play online. There are many available options to choose from. If you choose to play on someones server then you should be prepared their way with their rules.
-smwScott
47% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
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| Cheaters & RenGuard? [message #109810] |
Tue, 24 August 2004 09:55 |
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snipesimo
Messages: 764
Registered: February 2003
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The reason I think its stupid to push for RenGuard right now is because there is currently no properly working SSC available besides closed source scripts.
MAYBE when BRenBot 1.36 is released, and there are no major bugs, you can do another push for this.
Not to mention the countless RG Spec problems that I have proposed to be fixed, and nothing.
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| Cheaters & RenGuard? [message #109820] |
Tue, 24 August 2004 10:33 |
Homey
Messages: 1084
Registered: February 2003
Location: Canada
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It is their servers, they can do as they wish. I personally don't RG on my old computer because it actually does slow it down slightly in renegade. So just because someone doesn't run RG on their pc, or server makes them an idiot?
Homey
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| Cheaters & RenGuard? [message #109823] |
Tue, 24 August 2004 10:38 |
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Crimson
Messages: 7429
Registered: February 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Relying on moderators to protect your server is like having a police force that won't respond to your 911 call until after you're dead. All the cheat detection force in the world doesn't stop the fact that the outcome of the game is already changed. That one vehicle he destroyed might have taken out the ref, which would have prevented someone from affording a Mobius... which would have prevented him from successfully beaconing the pedestal and defending it... every missed shot, every wrong step, can change the winner of a game.
And it IS my business when other servers don't run RenGuard. Because it's those servers that aren't encouraging gamers to download it. However, at a given time, only 10-20% of people using RenGuard are playing on servers that take advantage of it. That means that during the day there are 400-500 gamers who have taken their step to be cheat-free, but the server they like to play on isn't taking the next step to protect them.
There are currently 613 players logged into RenGuard, 150 of which are currently playing on RenGuard-protected servers.
That means there are 463 players who are playing somewhere else. It could be that a lot of your community is already using it and you just don't know it.
I have made a couple posts in the Renguard MOTD encouraging those gamers to try out some RenGuarded servers instead of their usual one. I think it's working, because the numbers of players on protected servers have been increasing a lot lately.
And before you insult zunnie, he runs all of the "FANMAPS" servers and pays a couple hundred bucks a month to run them, and he's had a lot of success with them.
It is no fun for me to have to take time out of playing to investigate a cheater. I have more respect for my moderators than that. They are back in the good ol' days when you only had to kick tank theives, general rule breakers, and people who lose their temper.
BRenBot 1.35 works great for me...
I'm the bawss.
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| Cheaters & RenGuard? [message #109826] |
Tue, 24 August 2004 10:49 |
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snipesimo
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Registered: February 2003
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I never at one point said moderating is better. I think when it comes to sniper servers, its pretty easy, but elsewhere it might be pretty hard. My point is the software is flawed, the system is flawed, and it doesn't even block all the cheats.
Sure, loads of people run RenGuard, but like you said, its useless if the servers don't. 15/16 players in a non-RG AoW server could be running RG, but the one player who isn't could be the one who is cheating.
The servers have every right not to run RG considering the state its in right now. Because when theres client problems, the server owners get blamed for starting to run RG.
[Updated on: Tue, 24 August 2004 11:05] Report message to a moderator |
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| Cheaters & RenGuard? [message #109828] |
Tue, 24 August 2004 10:59 |
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Crimson
Messages: 7429
Registered: February 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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It takes 10 seconds.
[05:05] [@n00bsvr04]: Player mcloud354 joined the game
[05:06] [@n00bsvr04]: Host: mcloud354 is being kicked by RenGuard for: You need RenGuard to play on this server
[05:06] [@n00bsvr04]: Player mcloud354 left the game
[05:06] [@n00bsvr04]: mcloud354 was kicked
Knock off the lies.
I'm the bawss.
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