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| PT Hack Needs Fixing Server Side Preferred [message #109283] |
Sun, 22 August 2004 00:43   |
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Hello all! I'll try to bring a little contribution for detecting this hack.
We had numerous reports of this PT hack during the last days on our servers. I went into one of those games and maybe found out the way to discover this type of cheater : they have a nul (non-existant) score. I provide an image for that purpose.
Since I'm pretty new to IRC, I can't figure out if a bot can detect that anomaly. Also I'm not 100% sure this nul score is a result for the PT hack only, your advises would be welcome.
Edit : It is a wrong assumption as mentionned in few next posts. Please disregard this "NUL SCORE" theory. Those circled dashes are actually showing up "Credits"
Cheers!
[Updated on: Sun, 22 August 2004 10:10] Report message to a moderator |
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| PT Hack Needs Fixing Server Side Preferred [message #109339] |
Sun, 22 August 2004 07:58 |
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[17:37] <+Aircraftkiller> Sometimes I'm tempted to cause havoc in Renegade
[17:37] <+Aircraftkiller> One time
[17:37] <@unit|CoH> are you laughing at CoH?
[17:37] <@unit|CoH> lol
[17:37] <+cytipped> i heard fly can get as fast as superspeed at max lvl
[17:37] <+Aircraftkiller> I went into a server with a custom made cheat I programmed up
[17:37] <@GameBot> [16:37] C4Kitty: !rg rngde111
[17:37] <@GameBot> [16:37] Host: (GameBot): rngde111 is currently on the RG network.
[17:37] <@unit|CoH> i started playing rene again
[17:37] * seriousj7 (Me@My.Comp) has left #the-pits
[17:37] <+Aircraftkiller> And destroyed all the enemy's purchase terminals
[17:37] <@unit|CoH> 
[17:37] <+Jeremy>
[17:37] <@Havocide3> Meh
[17:37] <@unit|CoH> how can you do that?
[17:37] <@unit|CoH> lol
[17:37] <+Aircraftkiller> They all went "WTF? NO PT WORK OMFG THIS SERVER SUX"
[17:37] <@unit|CoH> rofl
[17:37] <@GameBot> [16:37] familyp9: oh shit
[17:37] <+Aircraftkiller> Not telling you
[17:37] <+Aircraftkiller> Then they caught on
[17:37] <@unit|CoH> ban you?
[17:37] <@GameBot> No clue, unit|CoH
[17:37] <+Aircraftkiller> "SUM1 IS HACKING"
[17:37] <@unit|CoH> lol
[17:38] <+Aircraftkiller> It was great
[17:38] <+Aircraftkiller> I do it to servers that piss me off
[17:38] <+Aircraftkiller> Like BC
[17:38] <+cytipped> CHEATER
[17:38] <+Aircraftkiller> I assrammed the BC servers bad lol
[17:38] <@GameBot> [16:38] rngde111: yea this is gay
[17:38] <@unit|CoH> so the game has a natural PT hack when you dissconnect and rejoin
[17:38] <+Aircraftkiller> No
[17:38] <+Aircraftkiller> The Purchase Terminal object, itself, is destroyed
[17:38] <@GameBot> [16:38] homer530: LOOK WHO'S WINNING!
[17:38] <@unit|CoH> oh lol
[17:38] <@GameBot> [16:38] familyp9: oh SHIt
[17:38] <@unit|CoH> the invisible thing?
[17:38] <+Aircraftkiller> When you point at the terminal geometry, no target bracket appears.
[17:38] <+Jeremy>
[17:38] <@GameBot> [16:39] homer530: LOL NOD SUX
[17:39] <@GameBot> [16:39] rngde111: what?
[17:39] <@GameBot> [16:39] homer530: YOU HEARD ME
[17:39] <+Aircraftkiller> I could have made it give me a few million points each time I killed one
[17:39] <@Havocide3> meh, I wouldn't use that here 
[17:39] <+Aircraftkiller> I don't
[17:39] <@unit|CoH> O_O
[17:39] <+Aircraftkiller> Don't join this server anymore
[17:39] <+cytipped> how come
[17:39] <@GameBot> [16:39] familyp9: kill thsoe DAMN apcs
[17:39] <+Aircraftkiller> Unless it switches to RA I won't be joining in the foreseeable future
[17:39] <@unit|CoH> i played the last few days
[17:39] <@GameBot> [16:39] homer530: HAHA U CANT
[17:40] <@unit|CoH> i missed flickering tanks
[17:40] <+Aircraftkiller> Eh
[17:40] <+Aircraftkiller> Nothing beats the RA experience for me
[17:40] <+Aircraftkiller> I love using Artillery
[17:40] <+cytipped> renegade > ren alert
[17:40] <@unit|CoH> i couldnt stay away from tanks that warp across the map
[17:40] <+Aircraftkiller> Lob shells over mountains, kill five people in one shot
[17:40] <+Aircraftkiller> Drive a Demolition Truck into a base
[17:40] <+Aircraftkiller> detonate
[17:40] <+Aircraftkiller> lol
[17:40] <+Aircraftkiller> So much fun
[17:40] <@Captain_Haddock> hehe
[17:40] <+Aircraftkiller> cytipped, you're kidding right? Renegade is a POS
[17:41] <@Captain_Haddock> V2 on longbow to piss the pilot off
[17:41] <+Aircraftkiller> shit, on our fifth patch we have more levels than Renegade does, 15 to play with
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| PT Hack Needs Fixing Server Side Preferred [message #109464] |
Sun, 22 August 2004 14:40 |
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if you put scripts.dll 1.9.1 (with bhs.dll) on your server, you wont get this problem anymore since I hopefully fixed it.
Jonathan Wilson aka Jonwil
Creator and Lead Coder of the Custom scripts.dll
Renegade Engine Guru
Creator and Lead Coder of TT.DLL
Official member of Tiberian Technologies
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| PT Hack Needs Fixing Server Side Preferred [message #109526] |
Sun, 22 August 2004 21:29 |
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I was just wondering how a "member" of the group that created the anti-cheat gets away with ruining the game for others when he's bored...
can you say "conflict of interest" ?
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| PT Hack Needs Fixing Server Side Preferred [message #109532] |
Sun, 22 August 2004 22:25 |
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I was also wondering how an avowed "anti-asshole" like yourself just goes around picking fights whenever you feel like it
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I know, shame on me, right? I should just stfu and mind my own business...
I just felt it appropriate to let everyone know what you were doing in your spare time, and actually.. my business has to do with dealing with cheaters
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I don't remember anyone ever saying that joining BHS meant that you had to stop using anything you felt like using in the game.
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Uh.. that shouldn't even have to be said, seeing how you all are trying to END cheating in the game.
I've never even considered cheating in my OWN server.. let alone someone elses. It's a good thing you've given up Renegade, cause I have a mind to ban every nick of yours I know from my server
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| PT Hack Needs Fixing Server Side Preferred [message #109533] |
Sun, 22 August 2004 22:32 |
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Just like your business has to do with being hypocritical, contradicting yourself often and accusing people of cheating because they killed you.
I never said I was trying to end cheating in Renegade. I couldn't give a rat's ass as to what happens to it unless it actually becomes enjoyable. Joining BHS was something I was asked to do because of Codewench and Blazer, otherwise I wouldn't be in it. I contribute my part, do what they ask of me and that's it. I hold no other obligations to them, and I certainly never made any promise that I wouldn't go into servers and fuck with them because they made attempts to harass, intimidate, or annoy me because they knew who I was. Does that even matter now, seeing as how I don't play Renegade and haven't got any intention of touching it unless it gets fixed to be enjoyable?
I don't car e if you ban my nicknames from your server. It's not as if you weren't accusing myself and several others of cheating simply because you were killed and would not take "no, I'm not cheating" for an answer. Actually I remember you trying to "guilt people into admitting they cheat" so you wouldn't be accused of banning innocent players, just pestering them with incessant bullshit and lies until they admitted what you wanted to get you to leave them alone.
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| PT Hack Needs Fixing Server Side Preferred [message #109534] |
Sun, 22 August 2004 22:36 |
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Did you ever admit to me that you were cheating (when you weren't) just so I would leave you alone ack?
I smell a red herring here.... you have this nice long conversation about how you "created" the PT kill hack, then used it in servers like BC to fuck with them.. I post it, and all you can say is that I bully people?
maybe if I bully you enough, you'll retract your statement about me bullying you.. but wait, that would make me a bully...
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| PT Hack Needs Fixing Server Side Preferred [message #109536] |
Sun, 22 August 2004 22:45 |
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Of course I didn't admit to cheating in your server, because I never did. I wasn't going to tell you "yes I cheat" just to get you to have some legitimate excuse to try and get every server owner to ban me because you didn't like being killed.
Red herring? This discussion isn't being thrown off course, unless you count the fact that you threw it off course to begin with... I'm just continuing what you started by attacking me for absolutely no reason, with no provocation. I notice it works like that too, you find something to bitch about me with, then I post my defense. I never attack you unless you start it with me, odd how that works...
I never created the first one, I just made my own version after hearing about it from Crimson and Blazer. When they talked about people using it in servers, the first thing that hit my mind is "use the BlamoKiller warhead, it destroys everything" on how it worked. I used it in BC, because at that point we were all enemies and I felt like doing something to them for how they were treating my friends. Doing something wrong to them certainly doesn't make my actions right, or correct, in many peoples' views... But in mine, I wanted vengeance so I exercised it.
I'm not calling you a bully. I'm calling you a blackmailer, you can't come out and say someone cheats, you harass them in private and threaten them there... Then, when they try to refute it, you absolutely refuse to believe them. I gave you several opportunities to test my weapon damage, and show you how easy it can be done WITHOUT cheating, but you said "no i wont do your bullshit tests." You also refused to believe that I would not be cheating were I running RenGuard, which sort of makes me wonder why you're running RG at all on the server... You didn't believe it worked then, so why do you believe it works now?
Call it a red herring all you want, you start shit with me and I'll do it with you. If you'd leave me alone, like you used to these past few weeks, you'd notice that I don't bother you at all.
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| PT Hack Needs Fixing Server Side Preferred [message #109537] |
Sun, 22 August 2004 22:50 |
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Every time in the past when I asked you if you were cheating you would adamantly deny it. In fact, I distinctly remember you making statements like "Come on, you know me.. I would never cheat"...
Now you admit that you have.. and it puts a whole new light on every time someone has accused you before in The Pits.
How the fuck would we really know?
As for changing the subject? Take a look at the first post again..
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It just disables the PT's for everyone in-game if some n00b joined the game who has it.
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I was just letting everyone know who these n00bs that join are, or where they may have gotten it from.
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| PT Hack Needs Fixing Server Side Preferred [message #109540] |
Sun, 22 August 2004 22:59 |
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I agree Java, totally. I don't blame BC for having me banned after that. I'm not justifying my actions, just saying that I will do something if provoked.
This is why your argument on "well you cheated before, so we don't know if you will again" doesn't hold water, msgtpain.
If I wanted to cheat, I have admitted that I would do it in a very obvious way. Like killing everyone in the server, from inside a structure, over and over. Destroying everything in the gameplay. I don't need cheats to bolster my ability to play the game. I'm quite happy with how I play, even if I fuck up and don't play well sometimes. I've always been honest about the cheating issue, and if I do cheat I will tell you when and where I have done it. There is absolutely no grounds for the "you did it before, you will probably do it again" accusations. For all I know, you could be cheating in your server... Just because you say that you don't doesn't make me wrong, but that's irrelevant because there is no factual proof that you cheat or not.
I also do not distribute cheats, so don't imply that. Nothing I have made that can ruin the game for others has been released to the public, or to friends. I keep my little gadgets to myself.
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| PT Hack Needs Fixing Server Side Preferred [message #109541] |
Sun, 22 August 2004 23:03 |
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I also do not distribute cheats, so don't imply that. Nothing I have made that can ruin the game for others has been released to the public, or to friends. I keep my little gadgets to myself.
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I'll sleep much better now tonight, thank you.. Hearing that you won't share the toys which you cheat with makes me all warm and fuzzy inside..
FR players don't bother hiding that they're cheating either... but boy does it fucking piss everyone off when the come in and do it.. I'm glad you're not like them...
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| PT Hack Needs Fixing Server Side Preferred [message #109546] |
Sun, 22 August 2004 23:14 |
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no ack, unfortunately (like always) you simply can't seem to read between the lines.. get the point... etc, etc...
To you it's just "revenge".. to 30+ players in a ruined game, you're a fucking asshole..
If you feel it's okay to be a "fucking asshole" to 30+ players who have done absolutely nothing to you, so that you can exact revenge against 1 or two people that pissed you off, well then.. that's about all that needs to be said..
But just so we're not mistaken, and so you don't think that I'm "rallying behind what you said"; I'll simply spell it out: You're no different than the cheaters we're trying to combat; regardless of how much you try and justify your actions.
People DDOS our servers, steal our passwords, ruin our games, kill our FDS's, etc... all because they're pissed at what a few people have done, which they didn't like.. glad you could join the club.
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| PT Hack Needs Fixing Server Side Preferred [message #109547] |
Sun, 22 August 2004 23:24 |
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Maybe it's you who doesn't get the point, I never once said I didn't realize that I ruined the game for others when I do that. Maybe it didn't dawn on you that when it concerns people who piss me off, I DON'T CARE... Why? They can go somewhere else, it's simply a game that allows you to choose different servers. Big fucking deal.
Did I say I was different? Uh, no... Red herring! Now you're trying to set the conversation into something that justifies your contradictive posts.
Seeing as how you're acting like an asshole, as usual, I can't blame a lot of people for what they do to your server. You really do seem to invite it upon yourself. If you weren't so quick to but in on things that have little to do with you, I doubt you'd have many enemies at all. I should know because if I didn't attack people for doing things I dislike, I wouldn't have as many idiots hounding me for every post I make. Yet that's a consequence of my actions that I choose to live with.
If you accuse people of cheating, then find every possible way to get under their skin and then find out that they're going to attack you or your server for your own actions... All I can say is boo hoo, asshole... If you did that sort of thing in reality, are you going to tell that guy punching you in the face that he's ruining your bodily health because of a conscious decision you made to pester the hell out of him?
I've had enough of arguing with you, it never leads to anything productive. I'm sure your next post will be like the rest of them, you're just a victim, you never do anything wrong... It's always people attacking you because you're such a nice guy... My ass...
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| PT Hack Needs Fixing Server Side Preferred [message #109548] |
Sun, 22 August 2004 23:26 |
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Thanks jonwil, we are on it!
For ACK, well, you were caught pants down! I came here to get help about a hack, not to find out I would have to deal with such slacker. Msgtpain just did its job.
Your frankness is astonishing but how irrellevant is your defense! You can bitch anyone you want, you are lost, end of it.
When I was playing as "ptcz" over a year ago, you were already a notorious suspected cheater. I'm amazed to learn you dropped here, which I didn't realise when I read the log. But I believe your expertise was needed. This I agree is your business, live with it... as we have to live with your kind. Yes, I repeat, your kind. You have cheated before, it's enough to conclude you are busted over the servers I moderate...even if you use RG. Also note that I don't buy "I keep my little gadgets to myself": Your mouth is so big you could fill in 3 Whoppers at the same time...the log proves it!
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