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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #102902] Tue, 20 July 2004 09:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Random is something that dosent exist. Everything is 'cause and effect'. If cause and effect could be called a law of physics then all time as actualy been written.

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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103061] Wed, 21 July 2004 05:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well, to summ it all up, watch the episode of red dwarf, season four i htink its in, its called Timeslides.
one charicter goes back intime, and well changes his history, so he will not be stuck with that shit job, he ends up being the ritchest man in england and well yeah, then another guy goes and stuffs it all up, and brings it back to normal.

but yesm kind of like Back to the future part II, he shows the diagram n the blackboard of a parell universe/timeline, because thay did one small mistake (well big in thiscase) and it screwed up the history.

but time travle, i dunno maybe, but i htink if we could, we should not go around stuffing it up.


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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103106] Wed, 21 July 2004 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Any of you guys ever heard of Stargate SG1? I know it might seem a little nerdy, but I like it. The Stargate reminds me of the Chronosphere.


I watch it, but thats not the point. The stargate, what Cornel Oneil and his other posse pass through is a warp in wich it is linked to other planets. It has nothing to do with time travel.


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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103110] Wed, 21 July 2004 13:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm a real big stargate fan. BTW his name is O'neill (with two L's). In one episode they used the stargate to get to a planet that was directly in the way of earth's sun. When they went though the gate the worm hole created by the stargate hit a solar flare and it sent the worm hole spireling around the sun and ended up back to earth but in the year 1969. I forgot what was Major Carter's explenation was but i rememberd it sounded real.

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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103160] Wed, 21 July 2004 19:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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She said somethign abotu the worm hole looping back on itself, That's about all I remember about that episode, except that General Hamand (Sp?) had Oneill pay him back, with interest, the money which he took from him when they traveled back in time.

Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103186] Thu, 22 July 2004 00:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yes, the money he owed was $573.50 i am also a big Stargate fan, infact, the original movie is on tonight here.

and that episode was called 1969. And here explanation was to do with the space-time continum, and how the gravity and the intense enegry that was relased send them back in time. they ended up in the gate room, so it looked exacally the same, because time was comming through the gate, and then once the gate was turned off, the room turned into the old missile silo that the gate room is based in. so while the gate was open, they wre back at the SGC, and when it closed they were at the butt end of a titan rocket about to have a test burn...

thats a cool episode, very cool one, lots of hippy clothes lol.

but yeah, i dunno about time travle, infact, i read in the paper on the train on the way home today, that after like 20 years, Steven Hawkings pulled out on his bet, he said that black holes did not leave any remains of anyhting they swollowed up. but he proved himself wrong this afternoon, in ireland at soem science thingy.


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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103266] Thu, 22 July 2004 08:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The future can be changed imo.... Because, if you think about it, the future hasnt happened yet, so it is "changed" by everything that happens. For example, I'm writing this post, which means that people will read this and most likely reply to it. But if I dont write this, then no one would read it and it would get no replies. I dont think that it is possible to jump to a part of the future, but it is possible to 'get there'. I'll explain: When you get close to the horizon of a black hole, time slows down. For you, time would go as normal and when/if you get away from it then it will seem that time has gone as normal. But for everyone who watched you, you have been going slower and slower. So for you, you may have been there for say, a few days, but for everyone else, you have been there for a few years. So you would be in your future, but their present.

I also think that it may be possible to go back in the past, this is just a theory of mine, but things can be positive and negative right? Like electricity. Lets say normal gravity is positive, and it attracts objects towards it. It must be somehow possible, to have a negative gravitational field. I dont think this actually exists anywhere since gravity is determined by mass (I'm pretty sure it is anyway), so the matter would be thrown away and the field would disappear. But lets say there is a way to make it last, and that it was very strong, like a black hole. I think it would probably be possible to go near the horizon of the white hole (lets call it that since it would be the opposite of a black hole), it should have the opposite effect to a black hole. In other words, when you come out, you should be in the past.

And about the things about God that I read here, I belive in God, and I also believe in the theory of evolution. If you think about it, where did all the matter that makes up the universe come from? It had to have a beginning, so I believe that God made the universe. But there is sufficient evidence to make me believe that things have changed due to natural selection.

Also, I've often thought about what was around before the universe existed. I think that there was another universe which existed before our universe. Think about it, if you believe in the 'Big Bang' then it must have been something similar to a black hole, because it was just a massive lump of matter, which exploded. But the ball of mass was created when a previous universe collapsed on itself due to the gravity of the contents of the universe, and created that ball of matter, which then exploded to create our universe.

Which brings me to another thing which I have recently thought about. I read in a newspaper a few days ago, that Prof. Hawkings has changed his view on black holes, and that they spew out their contents after a certain amount of time or something. This makes the Big Bang believeable for me. Since I think that the big bang must have been a black hole, or something similar, so I think that black holes spew out their contents, just like the big bang did which created our universe.

Theres something for you guys to think about, just like I have Wink
Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103702] Fri, 23 July 2004 18:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I had no clue that a lot of people on this forum were stargate-SG1 fans, I thought I was nuts to watch it. How do you guys think about the new Stargate-SG1 Atlantis series??


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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103704] Fri, 23 July 2004 18:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's ok but two makes watching it more life consuming... As long as they dont ever interect again il wont start watching it. I stoped at the first epsiode.

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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103770] Sat, 24 July 2004 06:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You seriously need to get back into it. In almost every episode there is always someone dying with blood and guts flying everywhere!! Shocked
Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103793] Sat, 24 July 2004 09:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Actualy i just saw the last episode and it rocked! im going to have to start watching it! Looks really well made. I cant wait for the next episode. I wonder how the atlantis crew will get out of that. Its a good plug for the canadians too. To bad no philippino reprisentitive.

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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103809] Sat, 24 July 2004 10:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Firefly is the best science fiction TV series, but the stupid executives at FOX cut it. You should rent some episodes on DVD if you can, the last one is incredibly good.

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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103822] Sat, 24 July 2004 10:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lets bring this back on topic. Time travel. Time it self is really a concept of we created to keep track of change. As people say everything that has a begining has an end. This is going into the concept of the meaning of life it self. My thyr'e is that in the begining of existence there was nothing physical. Everything existed in energy. Then conceshness came in and created physical reality. This was the moment time was created. This might be hard to compreheand. As in the thyr'e of relivitivity time is relitive. In a black hole time itself stops so in the begining the entire plane of reality is a black hole, as in all of this is massive energy that had no way to expell itself.

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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103858] Sat, 24 July 2004 14:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Even cooler then time travel - the double slit experiment.

Proving that quantum mechanics doesn't make a drop of sense, it's probably one of the more, if not THE most important scientific experiment of our time.


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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103871] Sat, 24 July 2004 14:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Time travel according to Einstein isn't possible. It was then proven that you can make subatomic particle's warp in and out of space time using fields of negative density (that is, stuff that weighs less than nothing). The prospects of negative energy are as follows. To produce a pulse of negative energy requires a followup pulse of positive energy, the longer the negative pulse, the longer the positive charge must be. Scientists have theorized that negative energy could be used for alot of "Star Trek" things, you could wrap yourself in a bubble of negative energy and travel faster than the speed of light inside said bubble. You could shoot a negative energy missile into a blackhole and cause it to collapse inwards on itself. You could make a bubble of negative energy and get a ray of light caught inside it, and have the ray touch its own trail causing time dialation's. Lot's of stuff.

Einstein said time travel was quite impossible, but time viewing might be probable. It's like this, acording to Einstein the universe is like a bedsheet streatched between 4 posts and made taught. now drop a bowling ball in the middle. the "valley" the ball makes represents gravity. Roll a marble by it and you will see it gets drawn to the bowling ball. if you can make something that has no mass, infinity speed and infinite energy collapse in on itself (light!), you would create a ripple in spacetime and could use the ripple to look over the curvature of space and end up looking right back at yourself, just a few years ahead.

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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103876] Sat, 24 July 2004 15:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Even cooler then time travel - the double slit experiment.

Proving that quantum mechanics doesn't make a drop of sense, it's probably one of the more, if not THE most important scientific experiment of our time.

No. You're wrong. It actually CONFIRMS quantum theory.
Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103881] Sat, 24 July 2004 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, yeah, it confirms that quantum mechanics works. Of course, it proves that it works in very interesting ways, like when you determine that light acts as a particle, it stops exhibiting characteristics of a wave.

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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103886] Sat, 24 July 2004 16:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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de Broglie...
everything has wave-particle duality
λ = h/mv, h = 6.63 x 10^-34

EDIT: TheGunrun, I believe the words you're looking for are "theory" and "consciousness."
Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103898] Sat, 24 July 2004 17:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think that you can only go back in time as the future is not written, As someone may have well written here, I don't know.
Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103902] Sat, 24 July 2004 17:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The future has been written if u take a look of someone's theroy (forgott) all time is infact destend to happen. Think about the law of cause and effect. Everything happens due to something before it. If u look at every singal little tiny molecule in the universe and knew it's speed and direction you can see into the future.

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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103906] Sat, 24 July 2004 17:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I haven't heard of that before. So if the jet engine was created by the germans, than the hover car is going to be created by the russians??
Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103911] Sat, 24 July 2004 17:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The future has been written if u take a look of someone's theroy (forgott) all time is infact destend to happen. Think about the law of cause and effect. Everything happens due to something before it. If u look at every singal little tiny molecule in the universe and knew it's speed and direction you can see into the future.


The tiny particles don't follow the laws of cause and effect. That's the problem.
Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103912] Sat, 24 July 2004 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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everything does man. How can't it be? what else influences it?

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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #103913] Sat, 24 July 2004 17:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Plus, you would need a quantum computer to calculate that much data, in which case you would be able to get an answer in basically zero time. [The computer would process all the information in no time at all]

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As an example:

Electrons moving around in orbitals in an atom do not follow the Newtonian laws of physics that we apply to larger objects. Their position can only be predicted using probability.
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