| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983850] |
Mon, 03 February 2003 11:09  |
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Talked to Seagle about it and we came to a conclusion...
If you don't want your 3D work imported, just say so in this thread.
I, for one, do not... So don't go touching my god**** files.
Anyone else... Just say it here. No one should tolerate thieves, including AllGusto.
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| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983848] |
Mon, 03 February 2003 11:13  |
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I've got no problem with people importing other people's work into gmax to view it and learn from it. I just don't want them passing it off as their own, or using it in a project without the owner's permission.
[ February 03, 2003, 18:16: Message edited by: Seagle ]
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| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983847] |
Mon, 03 February 2003 11:14 |
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ah i dont think that was a good idea for him to do that.. map makers (such as me ![[Smile]](smile.gif) no map out to public yet though) now they can just screw over every one that does hard work and take credit for it... that should not be alowed ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
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| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983846] |
Mon, 03 February 2003 11:15 |
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quote:
Originally posted by Seagle:
I've got no problem with people importing other people's work into gmax. I just don't want them passing it off as their own, or using it in a project without the owner's permission.
Yeah, and how do we stop that?! I really hope that this won't get out of hand. Especially when we're making "sensitive" materials.
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| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983844] |
Mon, 03 February 2003 11:29 |
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If someone rips someone elses model off, its a copyright violation plain and simple and you can take whatever action the copyright laws in the countries the paries in question reside in allow for when copyright is violated. Even westwood has a right to do that but so far they dont seem to mind people re-using and modifying the renegade stuff.
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| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983841] |
Mon, 03 February 2003 11:46 |
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The other thing to remember is that pretty much every other game I have seen that has some kind of model editor (for example Quake 3, Half Life, Neverwinter Nights, V8 Challenge just to name ones I have had experience with) have a way to load a model in the game model format and edit it.
In any case, the message is simple, if you copy anything without permission, its a copyright violation and there are things the copyright holder can do under the relavent copyright law(s) and international thingos to pursue that.
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| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983839] |
Mon, 03 February 2003 12:24 |
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Seems to me to use the (copyright laws) to your benfit I would think some lawyer or some sort of offical paper work would have to be drawn up for each model? And do you really think you can proscute in a court of law on someone useing your model? I havnt heard or seen anything like that yet. Now I am not a Modder or Mapper but I download the (good Stuff) but I would think any person can do whatever they want with what they download cause its on their computer they downloaded it for free theres no binding contract they have to sign before they download it and so on. I'm not saying its ok to do this I'm just saying I dont think it will stop unless there is a court case or a law to back it up. Just my thoughts on this topic no I'm not a Lawyer just 41 years old with life experinces behind me and looking foward towards more ahead.
Also those of you that do the (good stuff) maps modding ect: Keep up the good work! and I am waiting (though its not easy) for RenAlert to come out and all the other new items also.
So keep it up and thanks.
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| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983838] |
Mon, 03 February 2003 12:35 |
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quote:
Originally posted by Seagle:
I've got no problem with people importing other people's work into gmax to view it and learn from it. I just don't want them passing it off as their own, or using it in a project without the owner's permission.
x2
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| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983836] |
Mon, 03 February 2003 13:26 |
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quote:
Originally posted by Sixguns40:
Seems to me to use the (copyright laws) to your benfit I would think some lawyer or some sort of offical paper work would have to be drawn up for each ? And do you really think you can proscute in a court of law on someone useing your ? I havnt heard or seen anything like that yet. Now I am not a Modder or Mapper but I download the (good Stuff) but I would think any person can do whatever they want with what they download cause its on their computer they downloaded it for free theres no binding contract they have to sign before they download it and so on. I'm not saying its ok to do this I'm just saying I dont think it will stop unless there is a court case or a law to back it up. Just my thoughts on this topic no I'm not a Lawyer just 41 years old with life experinces behind me and looking foward towards more ahead.
Also those of you that do the (good stuff) maps modding ect: Keep up the good work! and I am waiting (though its not easy) for RenAlert to come out and all the other new items also.
So keep it up and thanks.
K mister 41 year old .. when you dl a map ect. when you open the zip iso what ever there is a file in that called the readme ever read one? well it so happens that it tells you that you are NOT alowed to extract any thing or copy or modify it unless you ask the owner, team what ever... so yes it does matter.. okay?!
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| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983835] |
Mon, 03 February 2003 13:47 |
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I don't think people should rip off other people's work, but I wouldn't get too worked up about it if someone stole mine. If they were desperate enough to steal MY work, then they probably won't be around long anyway.
oh and bouncer, sixguns was nothing but polite in posting his opinion, you could've given him the same courtesy when making your point. I understand if you feel strongly about this, but save your hostility for the more deserving n00bs who post here.
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| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983834] |
Mon, 03 February 2003 14:01 |
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1. Skint thanks for watching my back I'll do the same 4 you Bouncer dude chill!! (hands bouncer who is sweating a puddle under him 20 chill pills) take 2 and repost later dude.
Do I get the notion theres something wrong with being 41 and LOVING Renegade?? hmmmm (maybe he's older) lol as I said bouncer I don't modd or map and when opening a zip I don't sign or whatever anything of course I look at the (legal) disclaimer? dont think so but I glance at it but I NEVER think of it as LAW cause it is'nt. So if I have made you mad,****ed.ect: I'm sorry but I still don't ever think I will ever see on T.V. or read in the papers about someone stealing and ending up doing hard time in a federal or local jail for "stealing" mods or maps good luck enforcing it.
Again my opinion thanks 4 the flame? NOT! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
[ February 03, 2003, 21:06: Message edited by: Sixguns40 ]
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| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983830] |
Mon, 03 February 2003 18:52 |
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i think i have a way for you guys to "lock" you mix files (but not pkg ![[Frown]](frown.gif) )
I have been "developing" it for some time now...if i manage to finish it the XCC Mixer simply WONT be able to read the mix file-it will be identified as "Unknown".However you`ll have to keep a backup of the Non-Unknown version for update purposes or you might get a bit angry at me and the method ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Anyways,expect it to be finished soon!
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| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983828] |
Mon, 03 February 2003 21:39 |
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I have to agree with sixguns here. If a case like this were ever filed, as long as the person who was accused did not profit, it would probably be thrown out of any court in the US.
More often, it is up to the community surrounding a game to police itself, and establish a code of ethics. This has pretty much happened in every popular game I have seen, but certainly not Renegade. We have too many people under the age of 18 playing this game, and not enough adults. And you old guys know how kids are... They're not going to listen to you, and anything you tell them not to do, they're proably going to do.
So, it is usually up to the individual communities to 'blackball' individuals or mod teams that are stealing others work.
I mean, models and level design have been around FAR longer than Renegade. You guys don't think that there wasn't any problems in the DOOM era, or the Quake Community, or Unreal? If anything, earlier games had it worse because of the lack of a real community... The Internet just wasn't like it is 5 years ago. So how did these people solve their problems? Not by making threats of legal action, but by informing the community, showing the proof, and letting the community take care of it.
The bottom line is, if someones stealing your work, let us know. That way, we won't download it, and those that run servers, won't put it in their rotation. We will exile the offender from the community. That is all we can do really...
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| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983826] |
Mon, 03 February 2003 22:51 |
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I think some people are flattering themselves here.
Look at the Quake/HL communities - it's possible to decompile those maps and steal the objects therein, but people don't. Same applies to Unreal, where anyone can edit anyone else's map.
Instead, they tend to have publicly-available prefab libraries, where people voluntarily upload their source work for others to use, and yet there is no such thing for Renegade. Why not? Because we have a small, close-minded, mean-spirited "community". No-one wants to share, and contribute to the greater good of the game (with exceptions - look at RenEvo). Everyone just wants the personal glory. Yay them.
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