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Mon, 03 February 2003 23:24   |
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If you guys are nice and share it will help other people out.
Dont listen to ******y ACK just because he doesnt want his stuff used.Too bad if Westwood had been like that he wouldnt have gotten alot of things he did.Hes still just afreaid someones better than him why do you think he flames the rest of you anytime you put up a shot of your work?Hes a pathetic little boy.
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Tue, 04 February 2003 00:00 |
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Import, tweak, whatever you want with my models and mod files. Execpt for the Alien WarFactory in HVW, that's Havoc89's work thus you need his permission. Just please mention my name in the readme and let me know you're using them (yeah I know, there's hardly a chance that anyone's going to use my stuff....).
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Tue, 04 February 2003 02:19 |
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Originally posted by Skint:
oh and bouncer, sixguns was nothing but polite in posting his opinion, you could've given him the same courtesy when making your point. I understand if you feel strongly about this, but save your hostility for the more deserving n00bs who post here.
i under stand that its all cool im sorry but i do feel strongly about this i just dont think it is cool for other noobs to take people work
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Tue, 04 February 2003 02:34 |
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Originally posted by PiMuRho:
I think some people are flattering themselves here.
Look at the Quake/HL communities - it's possible to decompile those maps and steal the objects therein, but people don't. Same applies to Unreal, where anyone can edit anyone else's map.
Instead, they tend to have publicly-available prefab libraries, where people voluntarily upload their source work for others to use, and yet there is no such thing for Renegade. Why not? Because we have a small, close-minded, mean-spirited "community". No-one wants to share, and contribute to the greater good of the game (with exceptions - look at RenEvo). Everyone just wants the personal glory. Yay them.
Good for them. This is us, and most of us work hard on what we do and don't like giving out stuff. The best way to learn is to learn on your own, which is what I have done for most of the stuff I do. I occasionally ask for help from people like Dante about engine related questions, but most of the 3D work I learn on my own.
If I can do it, why can no one else?
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Tue, 04 February 2003 02:49 |
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Surely it's in the best interests of the modding community to share information?
I'm not suggesting that everyone gives out the gmax files for their maps, but certain buildings/features that could enhance other people's maps especially if they're C&C-themed would benefit other mapmakers, and increase the longevity of the game.
I agree, people have to learn for themselves, but a nice library of premade objects for maps would certainly help people make better-looking levels.
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Tue, 04 February 2003 02:52 |
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Good for them. This is us, and most of us work hard on what we do and don't like giving out stuff. The best way to learn is to learn on your own, which is what I have done for most of the stuff I do. I occasionally ask for help from people like Dante about engine related questions, but most of the 3D work I learn on my own.
If I can do it, why can no one else?
Yep cause Glacier and Metro and Gobi.You did all them all on your own didnt you?Nope.So stfu boy.
[ February 04, 2003, 09:53: Message edited by: phinal ]
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Tue, 04 February 2003 02:57 |
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Originally posted by phinal:
Yep cause Glacier and Metro and Gobi.You did all them all on your own didnt you?Nope.So stfu boy.
I may not be his biggest supporter, but I at least acknowledge that he had to learn the skills necessary to finish those maps off and create his own.
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Tue, 04 February 2003 03:11 |
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Originally posted by bouncer24:
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Originally posted by Skint:
oh and bouncer, sixguns was nothing but polite in posting his opinion, you could've given him the same courtesy when making your point. I understand if you feel strongly about this, but save your hostility for the more deserving n00bs who post here.
i under stand that its all cool im sorry but i do feel strongly about this i just dont think it is cool for other noobs to take people work
Agreed.
And I understand everyone's standpoint on this, including ack's. Let's not forget that ack was already an established modeler with several contributions to the community under his belt when he got the unfinished maps from westwood. Love him or hate him fact is at the time he was the most qualified for the job.
On the subject of a prefab library, there is one in the works. It's run by a young man by the name of Dark Duel at Modding Elite . I could be wrong about the name of the site as it's still under construction and was originally called Undying mods. Anyway, I'm sure he could use a hand and I think it is a good idea. His upload script isn't functional yet so don't try to upload anything, but if you're interested, drop him a line or you can find him hanging around the cnczone forums. Link in my sig.
Seriously if anyone rips off someone's work without their permission I'm sure we will all hear about it and it won't be long before the thief's reputation is ruined.
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| Don't want your work imported? Just say so here [message #-983813] |
Tue, 04 February 2003 03:24 |
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quote:
Originally posted by PiMuRho:
Surely it's in the best interests of the modding community to share information?
I'm not suggesting that everyone gives out the gmax files for their maps, but certain buildings/features that could enhance other people's maps especially if they're C&C-themed would benefit other mapmakers, and increase the longevity of the game.
I agree, people have to learn for themselves, but a nice library of premade objects for maps would certainly help people make better-looking levels.
I've already given out premade objects... The official Helicopter Pads, the Tiberium crystals I modeled after the ones in TD, the Hand of Nod from SP with all its aggregrate bones and such in place, etc...
I give out small things. Larger things are not beneficial to people, they're more of a crutch to prevent them from actually learning.
Instead of giving them larger models, give them the information necessary to create them on their own. That's why when DeafWasp asked me how I made construction cones, barricades, and other objects, I told him they were just simple objects with a texture and material setting. Nothing special, but they look like it.
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Tue, 04 February 2003 04:17 |
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lol. you dont want people to import things. the ONLY things i could forsee people wanting to import would be buildings or other models that certain individuals who will remain nameless refuse to share. Things that SHOULD have been released to everyone.
*cough* mutant lab *cough*
[ February 04, 2003, 11:18: Message edited by: SlugWollop-CNCU[BG] ]
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Tue, 04 February 2003 04:36 |
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Originally posted by SlugWollop-CNCU[BG]:
lol. you dont want people to import things. the ONLY things i could forsee people wanting to import would be buildings or other models that certain individuals who will remain nameless refuse to share. Things that SHOULD have been released to everyone.
*cough* mutant lab *cough*
<small>[ February 04, 2003, 11:18: Message edited by: SlugWollop-CNCU[BG] ]</small>
You're not the person who decides what should be shared with who. Because something wasn't given to you and you want it, that means it was supposed to be given out to everyone?
Do you ever read? When I was given the maps, the Mutant Lab was a part of it. When I was given the maps, I was instructed that I would have all the models and such given only to me, because they said I was the most dedicated to this game.
So stop whining about it and stop trying to justify thievery. I reiterate: Because you want something doesn't mean it was meant to be shared.
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Tue, 04 February 2003 06:48 |
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Originally posted by aircraftkiller2001:
When I was given the maps, I was instructed that I would have all the models and such given only to me, because they said I was the most dedicated to this game.
That's like pouring petrol on a match. It reinforces your belief that the community revolves around you. Here's some news for ya, YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO DEDICATES SO MUCH TIME TO THE COMMUNITY.
If only you could understand that, it's unfair to the people who are equally dedicated.
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Tue, 04 February 2003 07:09 |
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I really do think that the ability to view/edit/use Westwood's W3D files is an excellent idea. I also don't have too much of a problem if someone wants to view how I did something, it will only excel the quality of modding going around. Nobody likes their stuff to be used without permission though. People who do use other modders' files without permission have a problem, but there isn't much that can be done about it. We can only hope to trust eachother. I think this is a good tool, even though it can be used for evil (as with most everything.) If someone does steal something, however, I'm sure that webmasters hosting the files will cooperate in taking the file down when the evidence is shown, as well as the theif being made notorious in the community.
[ February 04, 2003, 14:11: Message edited by: SomeRhino ]
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Tue, 04 February 2003 07:35 |
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Originally posted by killakanz:
quote:
Originally posted by aircraftkiller2001:
When I was given the maps, I was instructed that I would have all the s and such given only to me, because they said I was the most dedicated to this game.
That's like pouring petrol on a match. It reinforces your belief that the community revolves around you. Here's some news for ya, YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO DEDICATES SO MUCH TIME TO THE COMMUNITY.
If only you could understand that, it's unfair to the people who are equally dedicated.
well i dont see westwood letting you put Your map in a patch..wait have you? i dont think so and please he NEVER said that every thing revolves arownd him...
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Tue, 04 February 2003 07:39 |
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You're not the person who decides what should be shared with who. Because something wasn't given to you and you want it, that means it was supposed to be given out to everyone?
Do you ever read? When I was given the maps, the Mutant Lab was a part of it. When I was given the maps, I was instructed that I would have all the models and such given only to me, because they said I was the most dedicated to this game.
So stop whining about it and stop trying to justify thievery. I reiterate: Because you want something doesn't mean it was meant to be shared.
Blah blah blah more babbling from a childish mind.Guess I shouldnt expect more from a child though.
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Tue, 04 February 2003 07:58 |
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Originally posted by phinal:
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You're not the person who decides what should be shared with who. Because something wasn't given to you and you want it, that means it was supposed to be given out to everyone?
Do you ever read? When I was given the maps, the Mutant Lab was a part of it. When I was given the maps, I was instructed that I would have all the models and such given only to me, because they said I was the most dedicated to this game.
So stop whining about it and stop trying to justify thievery. I reiterate: Because you want something doesn't mean it was meant to be shared.
Blah blah blah more babbling from a childish mind.Guess I shouldnt expect more from a child though.
STFU n00b, Ack has done such much more for this community then you will ever! Sure, He may not be the niceist person you ever meet... But look what he has to put up with. Idiots like you. He helped Make this game what it is today! Don't believe Me? He help test this game! And you don't know ****, You registered Jan 20! What the **** do you know? ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
You sound like the child here idiot. Go play with your legos and Shut the hell up!
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Tue, 04 February 2003 08:05 |
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quote:
Originally posted by phinal:
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You're not the person who decides what should be shared with who. Because something wasn't given to you and you want it, that means it was supposed to be given out to everyone?
Do you ever read? When I was given the maps, the Mutant Lab was a part of it. When I was given the maps, I was instructed that I would have all the models and such given only to me, because they said I was the most dedicated to this game.
So stop whining about it and stop trying to justify thievery. I reiterate: Because you want something doesn't mean it was meant to be shared.
Blah blah blah more babbling from a childish mind.Guess I shouldnt expect more from a child though.
You honestly have no room to talk. He has made other maps besides the ones he has finished from his friends at WS. Some of them I still play when I see them on WOL.
As for sharing models, I really don't want anyone taking my work, and manipulating it in any way unless I have given permission to the said person. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
[ February 04, 2003, 15:06: Message edited by: vloktboky03 ]
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Tue, 04 February 2003 08:05 |
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Originally posted by bouncer24:
well i dont see westwood letting you put Your map in a patch..wait have you? i dont think so and please he NEVER said that every thing revolves arownd him...
I dont give a sh*te if westwood wants to use my maps or not, If they do, great. I'll be happy but I wouldn't go round thinking I'm God. just becuase they put his map in the patch (probably because they were bored of him begging, let's face it Glacier isn't the best map in the world) his ego has gone thru the roof. He doesn't say it but he always acts like he's the community God and everyone else are lower life forms. He wont have my respect untill he shows it for everyone else and stops being so big-headed.
[ February 04, 2003, 15:07: Message edited by: killakanz ]
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