They have the mamoth tank that can take a lot of damage. Try destroying a mamoth tank with a NOD stealth tank or any other NOD tank, its not an easy task.

The GDI infantry is far more superior than NODs infantry. Hell a simple infantry soldier was able to destroy a stealth tank with onky a few shots.

The GDI Advanced guard tower is better than the NODs laser tower. Sure it make have 2 turrets but its not like the advanced GDI guard tower. You can simply avoids NODs laser tower by jumping every few seconds. Where as the GDI tower has both rockets and machine guns... try avoiding those while trying to sneak into the base.

And NODs stealth tank is not really all that stealth now its it. Hell infantry soldiers can spot the tank. And even the NOD infantry soldier that can go stealth is the same thing, you can always get spotted.

Personally I think the sides are not matched evenly. GDI has a far more advantage than NOD. Thats why everyone picks GDI

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Originally posted by no_pulse:
Most people will beg to defer on this, but personally I think GDI has far before weapons in MP.

They have the mamoth tank that can take a lot of damage. Try destroying a mamoth tank with a NOD stealth tank or any other NOD tank, its not an easy task.

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This is true, but Mammoths are 1500-credit vehicles. GDI has strong but expensive vehicles; NOD has weaker but less expensive vehicles. Going one-on-one is not a good idea.

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The GDI infantry is far more superior than NODs infantry. Hell a simple infantry soldier was able to destroy a stealth tank with onky a few shots.

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The infantry are almost identical. A minigunner is NOT able to take out a tank with only a few shots (or even a few hundred shots).

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The GDI Advanced guard tower is better than the NODs laser tower. Sure it make have 2 turrets but its not like the advanced GDI guard tower. You can simply avoids NODs laser tower by jumping every few seconds. Where as the GDI tower has both rockets and machine guns... try avoiding those while trying to sneak into the base.

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This is one thing I definately agree with you on. A GDI soldier can infiltrate the NOD base VERY easily, but a NOD soldier has no hope of infiltrating the GDI base without the Guard Tower or Power Plant destroyed. Hopefully this problem just the "Under" map. GDI can run-and-jump past NOD defenses and plant C4 just about anywhere, which I don't mind, but there should be an equal defensive hole in GDI's base.

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And NODs stealth tank is not really all that stealth now its it. Hell infantry soldiers can spot the tank. And even the NOD infantry soldier that can go stealth is the same thing, you can always get spotted.

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Perhaps you've never played the original Command & Conquer. Stealth works just fine until you're either shot or you pass by an enemy unit.

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Personally I think the sides are not matched evenly. GDI has a far more advantage than NOD. Thats why everyone picks GDI

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I agree. GDI can overwhelm with tanks or sneak into the NOD base with little problem, but just about the only way I've seen NOD take out the GDI base is with a flame-tank rush. And God knows the players I play with are too stupid to use that tactic =).

That's true, mamoth tanks are pretty strong, but huge and slow! use 2 stealtu tanks, and it,s gone for sure... just keep moving, fire twice or trice, and move away and get cloaked again. this is verry confusing for the mamoth driver.... got quite a few kill even in one on one that way!

About infantry, well, i must admit that flame troopers are quite useless, as well as chem troopers, but the laser rifle is quit good! As for your exemple, well, personal ion canon (as well as nod railgun) is quite powerfull against vehicule, and stealth tank are lightly armored.

about the base defence, well, as for infantry, never try, so I can't say anything, but just try to get a tank past the obelisk... impossible... it destroys vehicule quite fast, faster than AGT. ant it is supposed to have a longer range to (but that does not really apply in this map) I was able to gat in the middle of a gdi base with a single APC. dont even try it against an obelisk

About the stealth tank, I know there's supposed to be a little bug with the cloaking. About infantry, i think that only mobius and one or two other class can se it at anytime. Other infantry unit can only see it when they are in splash range. Killed a lot of people that way! try it, it's fun!

To conclude this post, I'd say that the teams are even, but you have tu use a different combat tactic with each one... hope you will now enjoy nod as well as GDI, and that my advices will be usefull!

See you on the battlefeild

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They have the mamoth tank that can take a lot of damage. Try destroying a mamoth tank with a NOD stealth tank or any other NOD tank, its not an easy task.

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The GDI infantry is far more superior than NODs infantry. Hell a simple infantry soldier was able to destroy a stealth tank with onky a few shots.

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The GDI Advanced guard tower is better than the NODs laser tower. Sure it make have 2 turrets but its not like the advanced GDI guard tower. You can simply avoids NODs laser tower by jumping every few seconds. Where as the GDI tower has both rockets and machine guns... try avoiding those while trying to sneak into the base.

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And NODs stealth tank is not really all that stealth now its it. Hell infantry soldiers can spot the tank. And even the NOD infantry soldier that can go stealth is the same thing, you can always get spotted.

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Personally I think the sides are not matched evenly. GDI has a far more advantage than NOD. Thats why everyone picks GDI

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I feel sure that some of the other MP maps give the Nod the edge and then everybody wants to play them.

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[ February 18, 2002: Message edited by: RageMachine ]

for the flame tanks and stealth troopers

Keep your distance, keep cloaking, and don't stay still. The amount of time (rediculosly long, IRL it would be much shorter) for the mammoths shell to cross a distance to hit you, you can move to avoid it. It enrages them beyond belief to be unable to even hit you. Then stealth up, lob some missles at them and run away. They always back down, frustrated, unable to hit the stealth.

Up close and personal? Let's not talk about that . That takes a bit of fancy driving (which the stealth can do, it's so quick and sexy ;D)

As far as GDI GT vs NOD OB+Turrets, I'd say they both have their advantages. I find the GDI tower much more menacing, and virtually unviewable/approachable as infantry. The NOD tower on the other hand can only shoot at one target at a time, is much slower, and the turrets are usually "dumb". I can get into and destroy the obelisk (sp) much easier.

Either way, rushing into the base with an APC to hug either tower renders them defenseless (don't shoot close range, either of them), allows you to get into the tower to kill it (c4 on the term). APC on both sides has plenty of HP to make it in despite a heavy barraging from the towers and arbitrary units running around.

I must agree that the obelisk needs a powerboost. Personally, a quiker rate of fire would be nice since it has no specialized anti infantery weapon.

Since GDI mammoth tank costs 1500, Nod could get two light tanks or two flame tanks (or a mix of them) for almost the same price(1600).
Flame tanks does very much damage to armor as mentioned before and light tanks often move to quikly for the mammoth, at least in numbers.
Stealth tanks are also perfect in my oppinion, as the have a fine balance between advantges/price/disadvantages.

Personally, I like C4'ing (if thats a word ) mammoths, as they have a tendancy to concentrate on armor

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Originally posted by no_pulse:
Most people will beg to defer on this, but personally I think GDI has far before weapons in MP.

I beg to differ.

They have the mamoth tank that can take a lot of damage. Try destroying a mamoth tank with a NOD stealth tank or any other NOD tank, its not an easy task.

Have you seen the last movie that was shot? a steelth tank was crushing a mammoth pretty badly, and it didn't really take damage till the person that made it (in the medium tank) shot at it, which was pretty dead at the end of the video

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Like I said, I'm not sure if this is against mammoths or enginners. Maybe not allow engineers to repair vehicles of they're still in combat? If they've fired a shell within the last 15 seconds maybe?

Just grasping here... I realize we probably should have taken the engineer out, but I don't think that would have changed the outcome of the battle.

Renegade is not true to the orginal C&C games. But thats just my opinion.

But GDIs AGT is far more superior than NODs defenses. As someone stated, it can fire at multiple targets, so even if you had like 3 or 4 people rushing the power plant, you would all get killed.

So whats the trick to NODs laser tower? How can you sneak past it? How many secs do you wait to run, then jump (to miss the laser) then run again...?

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Just grasping here... I realize we probably should have taken the engineer out, but I don't think that would have changed the outcome of the battle.

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This is where team work comes into play. You need to get a sniper to come out of the tunnel and kill the engineers from behind. Without them repairing it's a totally different battle and you can win easily.

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Keep your distance, keep cloaking, and don't stay still. The amount of time (rediculosly long, IRL it would be much shorter) for the mammoths shell to cross a distance to hit you, you can move to avoid it. It enrages them beyond belief to be unable to even hit you. Then stealth up, lob some missles at them and run away. They always back down, frustrated, unable to hit the stealth.

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You haven't faced me in a mammy. I can easily kill a stealth tank. cloaking doesn't work because I just use the shell explosions to locate the stank. Plus if you know what your doing you can hit the opposing tank moving or not. Every second your not shooting your opponent is still firing at you.

Mammies are not my specialty though. I have been able to waste 4 mammoths, 6 mrls, 2 humvees, and an apc, in one round without losing my MobArt. MobArts are the best vehichles for base defence. You get damaged just pull out of the LOF and repair. In addition they have excelent range and can be parked behind obstruction and still fire on their targets.

I think more "balance" issues are in the map rather then the game.