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Originally posted by SquaLdon:
The biggest issue is definantly AGT and Obelisk, not to mention the Airstrip can be hit without getting in range of the ob.

I think more "balance" issues are in the map rather then the game.

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who are your engee teammates?? whare are they... imho as a beta tester and having played that map hundreds of times.. there should be 2 engees in the base at all times.. and not the free engee either.. the technition has 2x the repair speed and can single handedly extend teh life of a building...

How? I don't remember his name.. Ravenclaw I think? Has a rail gun, which chews about 1 block from a mammoth per shot. Granted it's not huge damage, but it's one shot, and you can get up and move quick. Plus you're not in a vehicle, so it's harder to spot you.

Great fun now that I've played a bit more. I just hope they get the connectivity issues figured out (bandwidth detection sucks!)

you all think that mamoths are great machines, well they are(when they are supporting your troops not when they leading a battle or caught in a one on one battle against Nod tanks.

what makes the Mamoth tank so fiersum is not it's fire power alone(although it is pretty powerful) but the fact that if one is around there are usually medium tanks and engies backing it up.
if you go it alone in a mamoth tank then you deserve to lose it.

it should be right behind your main force at all times. while your medium tanks and hum-vees are attacking use it to take out important targets. in other words USE IT TO DESTROY THE IMPORTANT ENEMY TANKS OR TO SCARE THEM.
by the time your mamoths are engaged the nod tanks should be pretty busy, allowing the slow turning of the mamoths to attack.

conclusion- don't use Mamoths to lead the assault use them to be the 10 ton weight that breaks the cammel's back(or in this case Nod's )

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Originally posted by no_pulse:
Most people will beg to defer on this, but personally I think GDI has far before weapons in MP.

They have the mamoth tank that can take a lot of damage. Try destroying a mamoth tank with a NOD stealth tank or any other NOD tank, its not an easy task.

The GDI infantry is far more superior than NODs infantry. Hell a simple infantry soldier was able to destroy a stealth tank with onky a few shots.

The GDI Advanced guard tower is better than the NODs laser tower. Sure it make have 2 turrets but its not like the advanced GDI guard tower. You can simply avoids NODs laser tower by jumping every few seconds. Where as the GDI tower has both rockets and machine guns... try avoiding those while trying to sneak into the base.

And NODs stealth tank is not really all that stealth now its it. Hell infantry soldiers can spot the tank. And even the NOD infantry soldier that can go stealth is the same thing, you can always get spotted.

Personally I think the sides are not matched evenly. GDI has a far more advantage than NOD. Thats why everyone picks GDI

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Destroying mammoth in stealth is much easyier than you think

When u saw gdi solder in a few shots are u are saying that a gdi solder using less than 50 bullets can destroy a stealth tank? - you are wrong , unless the stealth tank was on low heath or the infintry in Q was hacking

GDI AGT is to powerfull , but dont worry the real AGT is nowhere near that good and the real oblisk is 10x better

Nods tank is stealthy , but are are correct i should be 0.9 meters for AGT and 0.7 meters for infintry (its not obsivaly u can see it much further away), but Nod was just to powerfull when it was recreated exeatly how it was in TD , so WW gave gdi a chance

YV_Seth

now, backem up with hum-vees and there goes the rocket troops, while 3-5 engies keep everyone alive. now that's an assault no number of Nod stealth and flame tanks, or troops can get through(unless
1. they ambush or hit the engies then some how keep a couple of flame tanks alive to get in close, but by then the Mammoths will be at you door pounding away).

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"Ahh, there it is!"

I beg to differ the stealth tank can be as annoying as h**l! they are truely fun to drive. They pack a mean punch and are fast and sem-hard to see. it is more stealthy then a mammoth!

Quote: The GDI infantry is far more superior than NODs infantry. Hell a simple infantry soldier was able to destroy a stealth tank with only a few shots.

In my opinion NOD infantry are better built. they have the most usful infantry units. Chem warriors are humble powerhouses, and the laser chain gun is a unsung hero when it comes to mass destruction.

"Peace through power!"
Kane

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Originally posted by NiVaNa:
Ya but nod have oblistek of light, that will take out a mamoth in 1 strike and or 2 strikes, all the nod have to do is pull back to there base and let the oblisik take em out. But does dont alot of power to run, weakness

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It usually takes 3 hits from the obelisk to take out a mammoth. A medium tank is gone in two hits. That's in general with direct hits. Sometimes it seems to only partially hit a target, though.

I have never lost a mammoth to any unit one on one. It's when you are dealing with a bunch of Nod forces and the stealth tank sneaks up behind you... that's when it's easy to take out an unsupported mammoth. Direct hits to stealth tanks by a mammoth are deadly. I think one mistake people make is to aim with the tank in the center of the circle. For most units this is fine, but the mammoth's two turrets aim slightly differently (the two dots on the left and right side of the targetting circle), so to be exact you have to rotate the turrets slightly left and right as you fire in order to get direct hits.

Properly supported mammoths are deadly. Raveshaw is good against them.. until you're picked off by a sniper. If defending your base, several of those rapid fire black hand units will eat apart tanks pretty well.

As far as the AGT is concerned.. flame rushes usually take that out pretty quickly, unless GDI has a ton of tanks still at the base.

I've played enough games to know that anything's possible, but a GDI team full of good players and teamwork is really tough to beat unless you cripple them early on. Except for maps without defenses... then Nod's stealth ability is extremely deadly once they can afford nukes.

One on one is unacceptable to base opinion on when a skirmish in a "real" game will be between mixed units of vehicles and infantry.

Stealth Tank is still powerful, 2 can sneak in and take any building out quickly. They can snipe any troop within range with their missile rounds. They can take on a mammoth and win as long as the driver has superior tactics, driving skill, and better terrain position.

In war stealth tactics always prevail both in tactical strikes and suicide demolitions. Duh... so Nod wins there especially when 2 stealth BHS can nuke two buildings then c4 a building and zap it to death in 10 seconds, or blow it in 3 c4 with a pal.

The Ob is mostly anti vehicle which is made that way against GDI's superior armour. A FT can roll up to the AGT with only 50-100 damage then destroy it safely.

I see everyone jump to Nod on pubs with autoteams off.

Renegade is nothing like C&C or TS, an rts cannot be made with any balance towards an FPS. You have many players on one team, you cannot choose building placement, you have limited units to work with. In any RTS c&c map you have no hope to get infantry into a base, in which there are half a dozen ways to enter a base. Base defense doesn't do crap against large numbers of vehicles, grenader is crap against vehicles and his weapon sucks, flamethrower is better vs armor unless your a pansy ass and have to go engy/tech/hot to toss c4 around which is better then grenader because the grenader sucks balls.

Chem trooper just tears armour like crazy. GDI's secondary purchase troops are stupid except for gunner which is good only in groups against armor or buildings.

Nods Free FT troop better
Nods 1st level troops better
Nods 2nd level troops better
Nods 3rd level troops same as GDI.

Problem is there are too many stupid idiots who don't take advantage of the vast difference of these teams. Which means the only good tactic is the team that can pull off the early rush or organize a vehicle rush. Defense is not an option since on 9 out of 10 pubs the other team who cannot perform can't defend, or they will turtle and lose on points because they darn well suck at the game.

And why did you people bring this thread back? It was started in February!

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Originally posted by KingZeus[CnCRenegade.com]:
I'm at work and don't have time to read all the comments, but the topic starter sounds like somebody who does not play on teams working together. Try using 2 stealth tanks. They are great for ambushes.
The infantry is pretty much identical with the exception of the NOD stealth trooper and laser chain black hand. Both totally kick butt compared to their GDI counterparts.

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Come on, you don't know that it's not NOD? Sheesh dudes, it's Nod.

GDI can hit the airstrip, refinery and obelisk without being attacked.

As for the AGt - it's a tough nut to crack, certainly. I find 2 apcs, both with a single beacon-carrying engineer passenger, to be most effective. If the enemy has any tanks in his base though, you're screwed.

mammoth is so easy to kill it isnt funny
heres a guide to killing it for each nod vehicle

buggy:runn up to and wait to blow up plant c4 and blow them then run
apc:same as above but with more techs
light tank:get sideways and go back and forth while shooting at the mammoth
example the | is the light tank its it going up and down the M is the mammoth its not meving because only an idiot tries to dodge in a mammoth

^ going up and down
|- <turret> M

flame tank:get right up agaisnt it and it cant hit you for more than a 20 amor/health per shot then flame away

stealth tank:lay in wait and when the mammoth passes shoot shoot shoot until it dies even if the guy has the camera follow turret option enabled hes a dead man

there we go the complete guid to killing the joke that is the mammoth tank

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Originally posted by no_pulse:
Most people will beg to defer on this, but personally I think GDI has far before weapons in MP.

They have the mamoth tank that can take a lot of damage. Try destroying a mamoth tank with a NOD stealth tank or any other NOD tank, its not an easy task.

The GDI infantry is far more superior than NODs infantry. Hell a simple infantry soldier was able to destroy a stealth tank with onky a few shots.

The GDI Advanced guard tower is better than the NODs laser tower. Sure it make have 2 turrets but its not like the advanced GDI guard tower. You can simply avoids NODs laser tower by jumping every few seconds. Where as the GDI tower has both rockets and machine guns... try avoiding those while trying to sneak into the base.

And NODs stealth tank is not really all that stealth now its it. Hell infantry soldiers can spot the tank. And even the NOD infantry soldier that can go stealth is the same thing, you can always get spotted.

Personally I think the sides are not matched evenly. GDI has a far more advantage than NOD. Thats why everyone picks GDI

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GDI is much less likely to charge at the Nod defenses probally because it only takes 1 or 2 techies to repel a med tank rush of any magnitude (though Mammies could probally pound it to dust if they had about 2-3 and aren't afraid to throw them at the Ob)

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They have the mamoth tank that can take a lot of damage. Try destroying a mamoth tank with a NOD stealth tank or any other NOD tank, its not an easy task.

The GDI infantry is far more superior than NODs infantry. Hell a simple infantry soldier was able to destroy a stealth tank with onky a few shots.

The GDI Advanced guard tower is better than the NODs laser tower. Sure it make have 2 turrets but its not like the advanced GDI guard tower. You can simply avoids NODs laser tower by jumping every few seconds. Where as the GDI tower has both rockets and machine guns... try avoiding those while trying to sneak into the base.

And NODs stealth tank is not really all that stealth now its it. Hell infantry soldiers can spot the tank. And even the NOD infantry soldier that can go stealth is the same thing, you can always get spotted.

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1. I can take out a mamoth EASILY with a stealth/art/flame/light! Its not hard! Mammoth missiles are so slow, easiest thing to dodge ESPECAILLY in a light tank.

2.Can kill a stealth tank using basic infantry in a few shots? what are you smokin?

3.Hmm NO you can just jump around everywhere and expect the obelisk to miss, it hits you 99\% of the time! and anyway someone is gonna spot you and report your presence to the team (alot of ppl dont do this, always report on enemies you see as a threat to your team!)

4. I agree with the stealth tank, it can be seen quite easily at medium - short range but the stealth black hand cant be seen very easily only at very short ranges