Here's the trick behind ALL of it:

Preparation: Defend your harvester before anything else. Keep it alive with an Engineer. When it rolls back to base, buy that Buggy. Get another Engineer in it.

Transit: Your Engineer is probably going to beg for the gunner position. Don't give it to him. You'll see why in a few. Drive your Buggy on the road in front of the Airstrip's drop off area. Take it down the road and go into the Nod tiberium field. Drive the Buggy through the hole in the wall.

Execution: As you see that Weapons Factory looming in front of you, you have to choose one of three choices: Either hit the Weapons Factory, Tiberium Refinery, or hide behind the Refinery and get a bit of repairs, hitting the Power Plant. We'll say we're attacking the Tiberium Refinery. As you drive along the large building on your right, fire thirty rounds into the Weapons Factory. EVA will announce: "Warning: GDI Weapons Factory under attack." Drive straight to the Tiberium Refinery's back entrance. All the the Engineers should be looking at the Weapons Factory. Pile out of the Buggy and plant your TIMED C4 FIRST on the Master Control Terminal. After you plant the Timed C4, put the Remote C4 on the Master Control Terminal. Wait until the two C4 charges detonate. Blow the Remote C4. Building destroyed.

In the case of you being found: Blow the Remote C4 IMMEDIATELY. Do NOT wait for the Timed C4 to detonate. At the very least, you damage the structure, you get credits, and you get valuable points as well. 65\% of the time, the building will blow regardless of if anyone has found you or not.

If your Buggy is still intact afterwards, repair it and drive home.

It does NOT 0wn Buggies, only when they get too close.

I know what I'm doing, d00d. I do this tactic almost every game on City.

On another note, GDI can do a pretty effective MRLS rush on that map targeting the Refinery first and moving onto the Hand of Nod.

If, when your C4 is placed, someone sees you, do NOT blow the remote right away! Then the enemy can just repair the building and you've accomplished absolutely nothing. Instead jump around, run, circlestrafe, whatever, to avoid their fire while running into their engineers and/or fire at them with your pistol. If there isn't a whole team of enemies determined to take you down you'll survive long enough to detonate the remote after the timed has gone off (or better yet, a second before if you keep track of time), and then the building is destroyed. Almost never fails unless there is a patch/mobius AND at least one hotwire to worry about (or a ****load of engys). Shotgun troopers are also a pain in this situation.

As for GDI, they can access the Hand of Nod, Obelisk of Light, Airstrip and Tiberium Refinery with a Hummer if they know how.

[ April 13, 2002: Message edited by: Devon ]

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Originally posted by aircraftkiller2001:
Dude: The AGT takes the Buggy down to about 15 units of armour with full health left.

It does NOT 0wn Buggies, only when they get too close.

I know what I'm doing, d00d. I do this tactic almost every game on City.

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When you are vs me and i defend you will not make it

Here's the deal with remote/timed c4
as tech or engy, always do timed first
Make sure they get on the MCT, and dont stack them on top of eachother
Then plant your 2 remotes, look at the clock to see when ur timed will go off.
if you are advanced and the plant is empty, have some fun planting proxmities.
If someone walks in on you and you can not kill them, dodge and try to stay alive for as long as possible. 2 timed and 2 remote is overkill on a building, so u dont have to wait for the timed to blow before u detonate.
if the enemy that walks in on you is an engy/tech, then dont blow remote until u have to. instead, run away behind a wall, if they follow blow before u die. If they try to repair the MCT or disarm the c4, take out ur pistola dn headshot em, they usually wont ahve enough time to disarm.

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Originally posted by Devon:
Ok, first: if you want to take out the powerplant, which is, after all, the most important building, approach the GDI base from the other side - drive through the hole in the wall near YOUR base, over the tiberium field (where their harvester harvests) and drive straight towards the PP. You'll have 125/20 health/armor left (approx). If someone is on the tiberium field and starts firing at you, retreat and take another route.

If, when your C4 is placed, someone sees you, do NOT blow the remote right away! Then the enemy can just repair the building and you've accomplished absolutely nothing. Instead jump around, run, circlestrafe, whatever, to avoid their fire while running into their engineers and/or fire at them with your pistol. If there isn't a whole team of enemies determined to take you down you'll survive long enough to detonate the remote after the timed has gone off (or better yet, a second before if you keep track of time), and then the building is destroyed. Almost never fails unless there is a patch/mobius AND at least one hotwire to worry about (or a ****load of engys). Shotgun troopers are also a pain in this situation.

As for GDI, they can access the Hand of Nod, Obelisk of Light, Airstrip and Tiberium Refinery with a Hummer if they know how.

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You know why you blow it? Because IF YOU DIE FROM BEING SEEN, you can't detonate it. You'll rarely live the 30 seconds for that Timed C4 to blow... So you might as well detonate the Remote C4 and get some kind of points and credits out of it, instead of NOTHING at ALL.

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You know why you blow it? Because IF YOU DIE FROM BEING SEEN, you can't detonate it. You'll rarely live the 30 seconds for that Timed C4 to blow... So you might as well detonate the Remote C4 and get some kind of points and credits out of it, instead of NOTHING at ALL.

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Die from being seen? I'm sorry, I didn't know you could die from someone looking at you. Geeze - it's not like you should be standing still and just take damage. You have 300 health with a Technician/Hotwire - not even a Patch/Black Hand can take you out immediately. If you know what you are doing, you can survive at least ten seconds against anything except Mobius/Mendoza or multiple Patch/LCG characters, and you only need 23 seconds because it takes 7-8 seconds to plant 4 C4. You have a perectly visible health bar - when you start to run out of HP, it's time to blow the remotes, not when you still have 150+ HP left (unless there is a PIC/Raveshaw there). For someone who's been betatesting for so long your tactics sure seem primitive.

but if you alternate your fire between two buildings - shoot a - then shoot b - then return to a - etc.. - EVA never says a thing and the buildings go boom....

Since EVA doesnt say anything - the other side isnt aware that the buildings are going down.

i did this in a couple of games - but it could be lag -

anyone else seen/heard this?

[ April 13, 2002: Message edited by: StoneRook ]

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Originally posted by Devon:
Die from being seen? I'm sorry, I didn't know you could die from someone looking at you. Geeze - it's not like you should be standing still and just take damage. You have 300 health with a Technician/Hotwire - not even a Patch/Black Hand can take you out immediately. If you know what you are doing, you can survive at least ten seconds against anything except Mobius/Mendoza or multiple Patch/LCG characters, and you only need 23 seconds because it takes 7-8 seconds to plant 4 C4. You have a perectly visible health bar - when you start to run out of HP, it's time to blow the remotes, not when you still have 150+ HP left (unless there is a PIC/Raveshaw there). For someone who's been betatesting for so long your tactics sure seem primitive.

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Do yourself a favor and STFU. You know d4mn well what I meant by what I said.

You don't take chances in this game dealing with this sort of thing. I play with people who will kill you within four seconds.

Most of the time, people pull out their little pistol and counter-attack. When you're facing someone like Yohame or Kingdud whilst inside the Refinery, you're as good as toast. Just detonate it once they are inside and know you are there. Once they know you are there, they will start firing at you.

It's better to get those points and credits than to die and lose the chance of getting anything back at all.

just usually when i do it early

i go for there harv get money
buy buggy by tech

go over threw the secrete entrance
make it past AGT with an ease
and bye bye buildin

but here latly i been steppin in mines ROFL
why do u pple have to get so smart?

[ April 13, 2002: Message edited by: C4kitty ]

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Do yourself a favor and STFU.

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Ditto.

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You know d4mn well what I meant by what I said.

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Yes. The question is - do you understand what I meant?

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You don't take chances in this game dealing with this sort of thing. I play with people who will kill you within four seconds.

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Well let me tell you something. Back in the day when Quake 1 was the newest and coolest game around a friend of mine introduced me to a guy in Team 9. This guy was ranked #11 or so in the world. I challenged him and he totally kicked my ass (well, DUH! He was the kind of guy that fired a rocket so you bounced into the air and then hit you with another when you landed) - however, it usually took him a good five or ten seconds to kill me when we encountered each other because I know how to dodge stuff. I learned that when I zig-zagged through the plasmafire of the Arachnotrons in Doom 2 for fun (usually you just run around them and shoot but it's more fun to strafe between the shots). The point is, no matter how good you are you WILL need time to kill someone who knows how to dodge. It doesn't matter how accurate you are - if your target moves unpredictably you can't hit it with a significant portion of your shots. And remember, it's much easier to dodge stuff in Renegade than in Q1 (and most other games).

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Most of the time, people pull out their little pistol and counter-attack. When you're facing someone like Yohame or Kingdud whilst inside the Refinery, you're as good as toast. Just detonate it once they are inside and know you are there. Once they know you are there, they will start firing at you.

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See above paragraph. They can fire all they want, as long as they are not Mobius or several LCG/Patches they will need several seconds to take out a good dodger. I'm actually more worried about two Hotwires since they can disarm C4 so **** fast.

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It's better to get those points and credits than to die and lose the chance of getting anything back at all.

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That depends on the refinery situation.

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How long is the fuse on timed c4?

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30 seconds.

so both of u ahve a point in some way