In my opinion, they are not worth 900. Ramjets and snipers simply do far too much damage to them. 1 Ramjet clip does 200 damage, and 1 Sniper rifle clip does about 120. I don't bother wasting my money on them...now if they had 200health/armor like they do in the Single PLayer Mod, then they would be worth 900. But an Orca can't survive more than 1 shot from the obelisk...and it should be this way, because in Tiberian Dawn/Sun, the Orca could take barely 2 shots from an obelisk.

Anyone else think they need to be improved or cost lowered?

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and it should be this way, because in Tiberian Dawn/Sun, the Orca could take barely 2 shots from an obelisk.

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Uh... what kind of BS is that? The Obelisk couldn't fire at airborn units. And if you landed your unit near the Obelisk it killed it in one shot.

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Originally posted by Devon:
You should know that IRL, parachuting out of a chopper is suicide. You have a chance of surviving, but there is a very big risk that you will get chopped up by the rotors.

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Moron have you seen heartbreak ridge they where jumping from a CHINNOOK transport helicopter(same one as in renegade)! And the militry does do that. Also how can they be chopped up by the rotors idoit cause ppl will deploy them AFTER they clear the heli!

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Originally posted by Devon:
Uh... what kind of BS is that? The Obelisk couldn't fire at airborn units. And if you landed your unit near the Obelisk it killed it in one shot.

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yeah exactly

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Originally posted by celica330:
Well I don't think so.

In my opinion, they are not worth 900. Ramjets and snipers simply do far too much damage to them. 1 Ramjet clip does 200 damage, and 1 Sniper rifle clip does about 120. I don't bother wasting my money on them...now if they had 200health/armor like they do in the Single PLayer Mod, then they would be worth 900. But an Orca can't survive more than 1 shot from the obelisk...and it should be this way, because in Tiberian Dawn/Sun, the Orca could take barely 2 shots from an obelisk.

Anyone else think they need to be improved or cost lowered?

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Maybe snipers do that much damage to aircraft for this reason:

People complained that snipers were near useless.
People wanted aircraft

Kill 2 birds with one stone. People got their weak aircraft and snipers are now AA.

But now apparently the personal ion cannon and raveshaw are gimped on distance ... bleh.

I still think the things need lockable rockets.

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People complained that snipers were near useless.
People wanted aircraft

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Exactly. Those 1000 credit snipers now have a very big and useful role.

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Not every bit of a helicopter is vital, a lot of it is just walls.... perhaps if you shot the middle of the propeller or something like that, but it shouldn't be too easy.

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You should note, that snipers don't shoot just little bullets, they shoot freaking big blue beams! Take 6 of those through a copter and chances are you'll crash it. Also look at the size of the aircraft, they are way too small to have a lot of useless walls.

I think things are fine as it is, aircraft are very fun to use, and its unbelievably awsome to watch a group of them raid a base. People will always use them, because flying is fun, and now snipers like me have better things to do than pick off infantry.

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Moron have you seen heartbreak ridge they where jumping from a CHINNOOK transport helicopter(same one as in renegade)! And the militry does do that. Also how can they be chopped up by the rotors idoit cause ppl will deploy them AFTER they clear the heli!

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First of all, Heartbreak Ridge is a movie. Go ask a helipilot for an accurate reference.

Secondly, I'm talking about pilots, sorry if I didn't make myself clear. If there is something wrong with the chopper (like a rocket stuck up its rear end) the pilot can't parachute because he'd probably die anyway. If not from the rotors, then probably from the debris falling down from the exploding chopper (since it will be destroyed pretty much right above him). In fact, AFAIK, helicopter pilots don't have parachutes.

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Originally posted by Devon:
First of all, Heartbreak Ridge is a movie. Go ask a helipilot for an accurate reference.

Secondly, I'm talking about pilots, sorry if I didn't make myself clear. If there is something wrong with the chopper (like a rocket stuck up its rear end) the pilot can't parachute because he'd probably die anyway. If not from the rotors, then probably from the debris falling down from the exploding chopper (since it will be destroyed pretty much right above him). In fact, AFAIK, helicopter pilots don't have parachutes.

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What about Having a button that propells the Rotors away from the plane, then enabling you to Parachute?

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Originally posted by DaveGMM:
What about Having a button that propells the Rotors away from the plane, then enabling you to Parachute?

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because that would belong in the realms of fantasy.
Helicopter pilots aren't in the habit of getting someone else to hold the controls while they jump out with a parachute.
AFYI, paratroopers don't parachute out of helicopters, they jump out of hauler aircraft such as the hercules.

in c&c td, you barely scratched a buggy with a sniper, now, you dont need that many shots with it...

i dont like it; its like, the bigger the gun; the more damage it does to EVERYTHING.

c'mon, i know renegade isnt made for realism, but a little bit cant do any harm

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Originally posted by Whowhere:
because that would belong in the realms of fantasy.
Helicopter pilots aren't in the habit of getting someone else to hold the controls while they jump out with a parachute.
AFYI, paratroopers don't parachute out of helicopters, they jump out of hauler aircraft such as the hercules.

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ppl parachute out of UH-60's so

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Originally posted by Whowhere:
because that would belong in the realms of fantasy.
Helicopter pilots aren't in the habit of getting someone else to hold the controls while they jump out with a parachute.
AFYI, paratroopers don't parachute out of helicopters, they jump out of hauler aircraft such as the hercules.

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...Hmmm Tiberium is then real because this game is realistic. Mutants run around and we have big lazers that shoot 20 Gigawatt death rays stitting in our backyards. Buildings can never be built and never destroyed... Tanks are all over the place and we have big blue lazers that shoot from the international space station...

Oooohhhh yeah. I'll get back to you once I've actually flown one, but for now I'll tell you this - everyone was dieing for aircraft and were dissapointed when they were left out originally. Now there are very few positive comments being posted about them - so WHATS WRONG WITH ALL OF YOU!?!?!

I think the helis are best used to cause mischeif, fly around, harassing tanks and troops. They're no good just shooting at one target.

In an aircraft game most ppl will buy an aircraft that die eaily doin stuff all on damage,also a flame tank for nod is a betta option. Snipers only do about 20 a clip vs a flame tank, and they only cost 800 with 400/400 health/armor, which means that aircraft really do nothing when it comes to kill time, and some sniper will just sit where they cant be hit and load off a clip, i beleive it is betta to buy something which is more effective and can take a decent hit. That is the reason why i agree with celcia330, the only reason ppl like aircraft is cause they can go up and down.

How much does the regular sniper rifle do to a buggy? I know that ramjets do tons of damage, because, obviously, it is essentially a railgun that shoots bullets instead of the railgun that shoots energy things. But regular sniper rifles shoot regular bullets.

And in my opinion, attack choppers are only good if you know how to use em. They can take out tanks and infantry easy out in the open, but in a place like city, a group of hidden snipers can easily take out a chopper in seconds. They are good for hit-and-runs tactics and base defense, but make poor attackers since they can be taken out by regular soldiers fast.