It sucks.

Who every doesn't agree is a serious n00b.

Best light tank driver will beat the best mammoth driver all the time with 90\% of his h/a left.

Mammotht ank can't point up for crap so aircrafts own it.

Infiltry just has to get near it's side and the mamoth cna't shot or run them over.

The mobile art does MASSIVe damage to the mammoth, and thats along with it's superior speed and superior aiming it always wins.

The mammoth is only good at destroying buildings.
But when you go deep into it, flame tnaks are much better. If there is just 1 light tank guarding midfiled on feilds or city, it will stop 3 mammoth tanks from reaching there base.
But light tanks move fast, and can fit between the poles in city making them far superior.

Wait.. You know what.. it'd tkae me an hour to type how the mammoth sucks, how to make it better.. But you all know it already

Mammoth tank sucks. MAKE IT BETTEr.
All I can say is MAKE IT BETTER. You can't make it worse, it's as worse as anything can be so theres only one way;up.

If the mammoth tank sucks so much ass then why do we see people continually use it? Cause it can dish out damage and take damage, most players when they see 1 turn the corner and run away. IT TAKES 4 SHOTS FROM THE OBALISK OF LIGHT TO KILL ONE OF THESE!!! YOu understand that??? That means while the obalisk is defending the base the other attacking units get in unscaved. What happends to the base they are overrun by GDI within moments. Whould you say the mammoth sucked if you were Nod? I wouldn't.

You can ramble off many reasons to why it sucks, but I havn't seen many of these reason evident when I play.

BTW I'm not a n00b. Got FPS experiance since the first Quake was big and RTS experiance since Tiberian Dawn was released so don't start **** about me bein a n00b. I know what I'm talkin about.

To be true to the "roots" of the game, shouldn't the mammy at least have good anti-air? In C&C, the mammoth had no problem swatting 2 or 3 apaches, while attacking ground targets at the same time. I vote for a little upgrading, then I might want to use it more.

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dream attack force

2 humvees - for infantry,1st line
3 medtanks - Main attackers,2nd line
2 mammoths - Main Attackers, 3rd line
5 orcas - Support, claw formation in air

dont ya just wish you can adjust the speed of a tank , so you make it go as slow as a mammoth, so the mammoth can keep up?
You cant make it go faster than its maximum speed, but you can make it go slower.

2 MRLS -Ideal for support, and long range strikes against prepared defences.

3 Medium Tanks -Mobile firepower to take out enemy armor in the field.

1 Mammoth -Support for MRLS and Anti-Armor support for the 3 Medium Tanks ahead.

2 APCs -Anti-Infantry in the field, base rushing, carries 5 troops each allowing rapid transport of 10 soldiers/Techs/Hotwires. *Can be substituded for Hummers for scouting.

*Aircraft are not yet available on most maps and are not included.

Nod

3 Artillery -Great for support, long range strikes.

2 Light Tanks -Anti-Armor in the field w/ Artillery in support.

1 Flame Tank -Great Anti-Buiding, and Anti-Armor at close range.

1 Stealth Tank -Support for Light Tanks, Scouting, Limited base penetration.

1 APC -Anti-Infantry in the field, mobile transport for base rushing.

* Really depends on the situation, the above is based on defeating GDI's superior vehicles in the field. Flame Rushes are preferable in some situations.

2 or more Mammoths laying seige to a base cannot be beaten if they have support and don't stop firing

if you are a good player then you DONT let infantry get too close, and you use your missiles to kill them

I can easily destroy anything that attacks me if I'm in a mammoth tank and I don't stop moving forwards.

The easiest way to destroy a Nod base is to simply keep moving. As long as you don't stp for repairs, but keep on pounding theier base, and ignore the tanks and units then you won't lose.
Because the great thing about the mammoth is that you can ignore all the tanks and infantry that are shooting at you, because you know you will do enough damage.

A single light tank might be able to defeat a mammy one on one in the open if it has corners to back into and hide. If you aim properly (ahead of the target), it only takes a few hits to destroy a light tank. Plus, unless you're stupid enough to be alone with your mammy, the light tank will be pounded by your teammates as well. In any sizeable game there are usually a few sydney/raveshaw characters around which take out light tanks very quickly, along with stealth tanks, buggies, and mobile artillery.

As for a light tank defending a base against 3 mammies.. sure it could destroy all 3, but not before you lose a couple of buildings if not all of them.

It's been said before but obviously no one gets it. Mammoths are not to be used solo. In groups with other units, they can be very deadly. Used solo.. well, they're simply dollar signs with big bullseyes all over them. In some maps they aren't useful much at all, but in others they are. With an 8 vehicle limit, rushing with 5 mammies against the obelisk is often a lot more successful than trying to rush 7 or 8 mediums. And rarely have I seen anyone be able to get everyone to buy the correct tank. There'll be 7 mediums and then /someone/ has to go and buy a humvee.

Mammoths do twice as much damage as a medium yet also last 50\% longer, making them 300\% more effective offensively (if a medium can get, just for example, 6 shots in on the obelisk before being destroyed then the mammoth will be able to get 18 in). I've never seen someone try to dodge incoming fire while rushing in medium tanks so the manueverability doesn't matter much in that situation. Plus, rushing with 7 or 8 mediums often leaves your own base wide open for attacks.

There are always special cirkumstances based on what the enemy team is doing, of course.

[ May 03, 2002: Message edited by: kubi0461 ]

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Originally posted by Nuke-um:
IT TAKES 4 SHOTS FROM THE OBALISK OF LIGHT TO KILL ONE OF THESE!!! YOu understand that???

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Oh, I wasn't sure on that. Then that makes mammies 4 times more effective against the obelisk than medium tanks.

If a medium tank gets in (purely a number for example) 6 shots at the obelisk before being destroyed, then a mammy would be able to get in 12 shots in the same time plus would survive two more hits and therefore would manage to get in 24 shots at the obelisk before being destroyed.

Hmmm.... it's not going to run around the back side of the powerplant (on City) to ram the incoming APC, but that's not what a mammy is for. (I love doing that, btw.. easily kills all the APC passengers before they can get close to the PP entrances.)

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Originally posted by Deathgod:
Obelisk takes 3 shots to kill a Medium, not two. Revise your numerical statistics on damage.

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Looks like I'll have to experiment in a single player lan game. I'll also have to see how much armor is left after the second hit for the medium and the 3rd hit for the mammoth. In real games it's impossible to tell accurately because of all the fighting going on. Still, the mammoth does more than double the damage against an obelisk than a medium would.

I'm not trying to say that the mammoth is the most powerful unit. I'm simply saying that it has it's uses, particularly in groups. I personally do prefer medium tanks most of the time.

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Originally posted by Woggy:
mammoth tank with 2 med tanks : deadly

dream attack force

2 humvees - for infantry,1st line
3 medtanks - Main attackers,2nd line
2 mammoths - Main Attackers, 3rd line
5 orcas - Support, claw formation in air

dont ya just wish you can adjust the speed of a tank , so you make it go as slow as a mammoth, so the mammoth can keep up?
You cant make it go faster than its maximum speed, but you can make it go slower.

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Thats 14 units.

5 MRLS, 1 mammoth, and an orca is more like it.

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Originally posted by Woggy:
mammoth tank with 2 med tanks : deadly

dream attack force

2 humvees - for infantry,1st line
3 medtanks - Main attackers,2nd line
2 mammoths - Main Attackers, 3rd line
5 orcas - Support, claw formation in air

dont ya just wish you can adjust the speed of a tank , so you make it go as slow as a mammoth, so the mammoth can keep up?
You cant make it go faster than its maximum speed, but you can make it go slower.

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problem with that force is that there is a 8 vehicle limit per team...

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Originally posted by Mmmm_cheese:
The medium tank only takes 1 shot from the obelisk of light because it gets close enough befor it takes another, except on hourglass. Mammoth tank will take 3 befor it gets cloe enough.

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No, you missed my point. I was just saying how many hits each can take, max. I know that a good driver should never take more than one hit, that's kinda implied. I was posting the info for that guy's benefit.

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Originally posted by Senlui Granduc:
I'm not much of a fan of the mammy either. It's big, bulky and obstructs much of the users sight allowing both infantry & vehicles to get up, close & personal many a times. Still a seasoned player can often defend well and ward off attackers from a distance but if he's getting flanked he's in for a world of trouble. Two mediocre attackers firing from different positions usually reduces it to scrap metal in no time. I say save your money and grab a medium tank instead. It's got enough firepower, speed and manouverability to present more of a threat in the hands of an experienced player.

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heh. u must not have lock camera to turret on.. or being flanked would not be a big problem. just swing around

I find that mammoths are really good in a way, it could depend on distance, since the missiles do more then the cannons up close and the cannons have a faster rate of fire then the medium tank and such.

There are really good ways to use the mammies, why don't you try to discover them before you find out.